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all right welcome back to another

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episode of uap studies podcast my name

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is louis borges joining me as always my

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good friend jason gilman how's it going

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it's going really good hey i got this

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light that you sent to me this thing is

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awesome it's a it's a little led i don't

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know where i'm going to fit it i don't

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want to drill holes in this because

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it gives you a glow it gives you that

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glow too yeah so yeah that blue avian

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hue which is really nice right there you

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go but yeah thank you very much for that

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i'm super excited about today's guest um

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as always we try to bring the biggest

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and the best names and people that have

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their heads screwed on straight and

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aren't scared to just say it as it is

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and i think our our audience appreciates

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that today's guest has been on over 1200

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radio television documentaries uh you

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know he's an author very well spoken you

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can find him on just about any

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documentary or you know a tv program

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worth its weight in this field um he's a

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a well-spoken person always seems to be

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at a a even keel but yet is screaming at

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the top of his lungs and i love it so

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without further ado our guest today is

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well spoken yes yes yes that's right

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that's what i am very very well

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spoken well it's nice to be on guys uh

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it's always a pleasure to talk with my

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good friends in the uk

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no we're in canada canada i mean canada

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i'm sorry i'm sorry

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i'm so interested you know we're just

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that we're that little ice field

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slightly north of you yeah yeah uh yeah

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i know canada got plenty of friends up

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there always good and uh look forward to

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coming and visiting again soon i was up

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a number of times but you know how the

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cobia thing is yeah i've been living in

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a pretty much a closed-in locked-in room

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with a special air filter now for two

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and a half years and it's getting a

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little old but i'll get up there soon

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perfect all right let's what's happening

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what do you want to know so tell us a

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bit about yourself if anybody's been

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living under a rock for the last 20

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years who's stephen bassett

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political activist uh got in the field

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in 96 under that

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under that basis i didn't i didn't want

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to go out and

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and and interview people who have had

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sightings

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uh didn't want to join a research

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organization i uh

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i've always been sort of an activist uh

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did a little marching back in the day

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and i i realized that

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this was a political problem

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not a science problem seemed to me that

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the science was pretty clear the

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evidence was pretty clear

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it's not a complicated issue it's not

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like trying to understand quantum

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mechanics they get they're either here

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or they're not here

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right you know either company came to

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dinner or they didn't come to dinner and

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you know you don't need a physicist to

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figure that out and going the evidence

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seemed clear so i said what's the

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problem well the problem is the

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government's made a political decision a

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national security decision to

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to hide this

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uh not only hide it but deny it also

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undermine it uh ridicule it

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to keep it

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the chest as possible

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and the people would find out when the

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government felt uh ready to tell up i

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didn't like that and i and so i said it

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needs a political solution so it's going

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to need a political approach

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and that's what i started doing i didn't

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have any money uh nobody knew who i was

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so it was a slow very slow start

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dealing with congress back in the 90s

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if you're lucky if you could get one of

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their teenage interns to talk to you um

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there was just before i came on board uh

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steven schiff who was a new mexico

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an effort well they ran they ran him

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got he got mad right and he uh went

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and then a couple years after he had

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made this effort he came down with uh

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squamous cancer of the year that they

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uh i think it was 52. so again uh

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so what did i do what i did was

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but not to the degree it should be

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and it hasn't had much of a political

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and so i'll lobby the media

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i'll do everything i can to get the

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issue into into articles

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right uh which you can do uh through the

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internet and so forth uh in ways you

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and so i sought to get articles about

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this issue with a political

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then on 97 the washington post came did

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about that ufo lobbyist i don't like to

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use that term anymore i'm

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i'm a political activist a disclosure

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advocate

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uh a uap lobbyist if you insist i've i

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for most of the last 26 years i was the

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only registered lobbyist there's a

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couple more now that have put this issue

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down on their lobbying registration i

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think one's working for mufon

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and there's another new group all

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fantastic i hope there's 10 more that

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show up but that's recent most of 26

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but i was i was able to generate

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just about prg

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meaning my work prg prg paradigm

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research group and i are the same right

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over 500 and some articles have been

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written about my work so that that's

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getting the issue out right and then i

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think i've been contributed to many

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other articles that are out there in

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various ways by putting out lots of

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material press release so forth

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and uh in 2006 i started a print media

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archive probably the most important

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other ways anyway i'm up to about 13 000

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the only mainstream articles not not any

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fringe pests not not any silly stuff

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i and i feel i helped create those and

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educating the world to this issue

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pressure on governments and so that's

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how i chose the lobby slow

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but consistent in that way um and

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journalists so they got to know you a

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little bit and realize you weren't

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insane whatever

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politics you could talk about

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believe there's extraterrestrials here

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to advance awareness of the issue but

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dark alley or something uh some very

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nasty letter whatever the hell

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and there was the major papers are not

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not going to cover it either right right

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the major papers made the decision

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publishers of of the major papers in

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another look we got a crash vehicle at

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roswell yeah we got bodies they're all

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over the goddamn place we don't know

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what's going on and so we would greatly

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appreciate if if this if if your country

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communists right uh

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if you'd cooperate with us right let's

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don't let's don't uh let's do anything

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to put pressure on us to somehow

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get make this a public matter we want to

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classify this and i think that somehow

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that understanding was reached and the

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some significant journalistic principles

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but we're talking national security here

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nothing unusual about that i think the

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major publishers made a decision okay

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may very well turn up in the paper uh if

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somebody writes a book about it we might

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do a book review whatever we will cover

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it

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the days of the when uh you had the

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break in at watergate right and that was

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news

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and so they covered it they wrote up

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there was some people found breaking

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into the office the democratic national

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committee office at watergate and then

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these people went to uh uh arraignment

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they covered that and write that up and

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they could have just done that right and

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whatever was happening that they learned

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about they would they would write it

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cover it but obviously they considered

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it a pretty big story so they went

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further than that

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they went woodward and bernstein on that

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they basically sent oh they said bob

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woodward and bernstein carl bernstein

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they said

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there's a there's there's more going on

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here obviously than that there's this

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there's some serious stuff here we need

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to get the bottom this is a big scoop

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this is a big story and so boys head on

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over to the pentagon start going through

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their trash cans do you mind right bring

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some documents back and bob if you've

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got an inside contact you know reigns

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meetings like in roslyn in a garage

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somewhere and start getting the poop

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right bring it back we're gonna we're

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gonna get to the bottom of this and

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that's exactly and the new york times

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was doing the same thing

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and so

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and they did get to the bottom of it

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broke one of the biggest stories of all

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time brought down a present okay papers

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can do this when they choose to

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there's all kinds

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and we give it a name we call it

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investigative journalism as opposed to

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reportage okay right now it's a gray

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area for some people but to me an

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investigative journalist

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is chris hedges it's it's psy hersh it's

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bernstein and so forth and we know that

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these people are given resources they're

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given much more latitude go dig do what

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you have to do to get the story

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well let's just say that the the major

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papers

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didn't do that and they

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they still have not done that

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right in other words

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so in that sense

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they have been reporting what's been

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happening thus giving people plenty of

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of uh indications that there's something

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going on it's still going on it's not

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it's not stopped

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but they did not challenge the

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government's classification status on

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this they did not dig they did not try

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to get illegal in inside sources legal

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or otherwise and break the biggest story

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of all time and now the papers will

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eventually have to answer for this of

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course most of the publishers from those

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days are gone but that embargo still is

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still here

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uh

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the new york times knows there's an e.t

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presence the washington post knows as an

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e.t presence the boston toast the los

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angeles touch cargo tribune they all

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know there's an e.t presence

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somewhere within their their structure

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and the higher up you go the more likely

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they know

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right because they're not stupid these

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are very smart people you don't have to

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be a genius and there's an e.t presence

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here just read the damn articles right

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and then and then you know read a little

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research read one of the i don't know

371
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two three thousand books that have been

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written on the subjects the better ones

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and so

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they still have not gone there yet

375
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but

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the articles they have written

377
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have helped to move this thing along and

378
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that was my

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my major contribution

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constantly contributing to that and and

381
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i but now i'm i'm still doing that but

382
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i'm looking forward to taking this to

383
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the next level

384
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christopher mel and lou elizondo level

385
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mostly lou and chris and everything

386
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that's going on in congress that finally

387
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happened okay i'd like to take a little

388
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credit for that but i got plenty of

389
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colleagues that deserve a little credit

390
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for that without question

391
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but whatever congealed within the

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military intelligence community

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particularly the dod

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back in

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2015-16 that ultimately led to this

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organization coming out

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which was somehow facilitated by by tom

398
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delong who i think provided them a

399
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he came up with an idea that one of the

400
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reasons they were talking to him was he

401
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came up with an idea how they could do

402
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this

403
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platform it and uh and do it in a way

404
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that would be

405
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more more uh beneficial to them in other

406
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words come out together

407
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come out as part of an organization it's

408
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going to be a public benefit corp it's

409
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going to raise stock raise money give it

410
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a mandate and so forth and so there's a

411
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good chance that

412
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however it's received if you help end

413
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the truth embargo by doing this

414
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you could end up having a substantial

415
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financial future security because i

416
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think anybody at that time knew

417
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that you just come out by yourself

418
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whether it's a semi-van or elizon or

419
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anybody else you just come out by

420
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yourself and say you know i know some

421
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stuff and head on down to new york times

422
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and try to get a story going

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all right

424
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one

425
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it might not go well at all

426
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right there's strength in numbers too

427
00:14:49,590 --> 00:14:47,680
any future retirement post-retirement

428
00:14:51,269 --> 00:14:49,600
contracts you might have with the

429
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military intelligence complex you can

430
00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:54,079
forget about those all right and

431
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whatever else is going to happen i mean

432
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not awful but i mean just you're

433
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vulnerable and so but they came up with

434
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this idea and i think tom helped form

435
00:15:04,710 --> 00:15:02,720
that idea and so they launched the to

436
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the stars academy and ultimately

437
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eventually in october of 2017. that was

438
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the milestone most of everything you're

439
00:15:15,509 --> 00:15:12,800
seeing now stems from that

440
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not from anything particular i was doing

441
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my last major contribution was a citizen

442
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hearing on disclosure and that was in

443
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april 2013 though i think that might

444
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have contributed to the thinking of some

445
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of these people inside that pentagon and

446
00:15:29,829 --> 00:15:28,160
elsewhere about what what they might do

447
00:15:31,910 --> 00:15:29,839
it might have helped make the decision

448
00:15:33,749 --> 00:15:31,920
who knows one day i'll talk to them all

449
00:15:34,870 --> 00:15:33,759
about that hopefully interview them

450
00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:34,880
um

451
00:15:39,990 --> 00:15:37,440
so this is the louis elizondo melon lou

452
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alexander chris mellon show

453
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and i totally support it

454
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and i think they're going to be

455
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recognized historically as being a very

456
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important figure

457
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so

458
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that's kind of where we are now and i'm

459
00:15:55,110 --> 00:15:52,000
trying to find i'm working on some ways

460
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that i can contribute more

461
00:16:00,230 --> 00:15:57,519
i still have an office in washington

462
00:16:01,110 --> 00:16:00,240
down by the white house

463
00:16:03,990 --> 00:16:01,120
and

464
00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:04,000
i i now also have a an office in

465
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hollywood

466
00:16:08,550 --> 00:16:07,040
i've been working on how would you say

467
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approaching and dealing with some people

468
00:16:14,310 --> 00:16:11,279
out there people that have the means to

469
00:16:15,749 --> 00:16:14,320
to do significant things um

470
00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:15,759
media wise

471
00:16:19,749 --> 00:16:18,160
and so i'm trying to develop a two

472
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bi-coastal

473
00:16:25,189 --> 00:16:22,399
two-pronged um approach

474
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in my my later years here on this issue

475
00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:27,199
one is content creation and the other is

476
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activism

477
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um and that the two may bleed into each

478
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other

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and so i'm pleased about that and we may

480
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see some things going because i've kind

481
00:16:37,829 --> 00:16:36,000
of been off the field for a while and

482
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look forward to getting back in the game

483
00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:39,839
nice so you know half

484
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half of americans believe ets are behind

485
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the whole uap phenomenon right they

486
00:16:49,269 --> 00:16:46,959
don't look at china russia so half of

487
00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:49,279
the people are already on that side and

488
00:16:53,189 --> 00:16:51,680
80 to 90 percent of those people

489
00:16:54,949 --> 00:16:53,199
believe the government's lying about

490
00:16:57,670 --> 00:16:54,959
what they know and i've heard you use

491
00:16:59,829 --> 00:16:57,680
the term truth embargo versus a cover-up

492
00:17:01,829 --> 00:16:59,839
because you may be clarifying why you

493
00:17:03,910 --> 00:17:01,839
don't think per se it's a cover-up

494
00:17:06,309 --> 00:17:03,920
because of the illegalities associated

495
00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:06,319
with that term but maybe elaborate a

496
00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:08,079
little bit on the truth embargo i've

497
00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:10,480
talked about this a lot uh

498
00:17:15,189 --> 00:17:13,199
i'm a real stickler for language

499
00:17:17,429 --> 00:17:15,199
when it comes to activism certainly all

500
00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:17,439
right

501
00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:20,640
nothing can kill an activist effort

502
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:23,120
faster than rotten language

503
00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:24,240
okay

504
00:17:28,549 --> 00:17:26,400
and this happened many many times

505
00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:28,559
and i'm not throwing shade i

506
00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:29,600
look

507
00:17:33,750 --> 00:17:31,679
activism is not easy and it's intense

508
00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:33,760
and so people get into it and there's a

509
00:17:39,190 --> 00:17:36,080
lot happening and no activist movement

510
00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:39,200
is like uni uh form it it's usually a

511
00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:42,960
spectrum of activities across a a number

512
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of a range of things and so somebody

513
00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:47,120
over here may come up with some language

514
00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:48,799
right it's probably not cool that

515
00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:50,480
doesn't mean the people in this part of

516
00:17:53,830 --> 00:17:52,240
the movement are doing that but whatever

517
00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:53,840
kind of everybody's going to get labeled

518
00:17:56,549 --> 00:17:55,360
with that i mean there was if one part

519
00:17:58,230 --> 00:17:56,559
of your movement makes a mistake the

520
00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:58,240
rest is going to have to take some hits

521
00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:00,160
on that okay i get it that's right so

522
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:01,840
i'm not i'm not throwing shade

523
00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:04,960
but two classic examples of bad language

524
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:07,200
i was involved in the citizen of the uh

525
00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:08,799
animal movement a little bit not as much

526
00:18:13,350 --> 00:18:10,160
as i should have been

527
00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:13,360
uh but i i marched in and i was in the

528
00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:14,480
april

529
00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:15,280
uh

530
00:18:19,029 --> 00:18:16,799
march in washington

531
00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:19,039
uh the big one uh

532
00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:20,799
and others i ended with some civil

533
00:18:23,110 --> 00:18:22,160
rights marches

534
00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:23,120
but

535
00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:26,000
in the the height of the anti-war

536
00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:28,880
movement in the 60s and also civil

537
00:18:32,150 --> 00:18:30,880
rights movement at the same time

538
00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:32,160
where there was a lot of trouble in the

539
00:18:35,350 --> 00:18:33,760
streets and so forth and the police were

540
00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:35,360
having to do what you're seeing now you

541
00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:37,120
know it happens now

542
00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:38,880
uh it happened then

543
00:18:43,029 --> 00:18:40,640
uh somebody decided

544
00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:43,039
that a a good idea was to

545
00:18:48,230 --> 00:18:45,440
call the the police pigs

546
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:48,240
all right uh in order to d integrate

547
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:50,720
them to to show them you know tell how

548
00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:52,640
awful they are right so uh because they

549
00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:54,880
do bad things sometimes and particularly

550
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:55,679
when you're talking about these

551
00:18:59,830 --> 00:18:57,760
demonstrations so they refer to them as

552
00:19:02,549 --> 00:18:59,840
pigs down with the pigs

553
00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:02,559
this is a bad idea this is a really

554
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:04,799
awful idea

555
00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:06,720
and so essentially they're telling the

556
00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:08,840
rest of the country that you want to

557
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:11,520
support your antiwar efforts or your

558
00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:13,760
civil rights efforts that all of the the

559
00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:15,280
policemen that are working in their city

560
00:19:19,029 --> 00:19:17,200
they're all pigs right

561
00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:19,039
and they don't they don't they don't see

562
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:22,000
that and so really bad move it hurt the

563
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:24,400
movement terribly now let's let's come

564
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:27,280
forward uh 40 years 50 years

565
00:19:31,590 --> 00:19:28,960
so we're having more unrest civil rights

566
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:31,600
unrest and more problems in the streets

567
00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:32,960
and once again the police are in the

568
00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:35,840
front line right you know it's like

569
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:38,480
when when when really bad things happen

570
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:40,400
or stupid political decisions are made

571
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:41,840
and people get angry go to the streets

572
00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:44,000
they don't send the boy scouts

573
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:45,679
they don't send the girl scouts out

574
00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:47,280
there you have to send the police so

575
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:49,520
every time the politicians screw up the

576
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:50,960
police have got to go out and face it

577
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:52,480
down same thing with same thing with

578
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:54,080
international affairs every time the

579
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:56,559
politician starts some god awful war

580
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:58,799
guess who has to go and face it down a

581
00:20:03,029 --> 00:20:01,200
bunch of 19 year old kids mostly of

582
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:03,039
color all right so that's just the way

583
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:04,799
the world is we need to work on that we

584
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:07,039
need to improve on that and so with this

585
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:09,039
last round big round going back a few

586
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:11,120
years

587
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:12,320
again

588
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:13,840
somebody came up with a phrase that

589
00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:15,200
caught a little attention caught a

590
00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:16,320
little fire and the next thing you know

591
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:19,520
it's all over the news defund the police

592
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,960
defund the police take all the money

593
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:22,320
away if you take all the money away from

594
00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:24,159
the police they won't be able to do all

595
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:25,760
these awful things

596
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:27,440
well that went over like a lead balloon

597
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,559
it handed the people that that support

598
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:32,400
the things that they didn't like

599
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:36,400
right a wonderful uh uh tool to hit him

600
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:37,919
over the head with right a hammer to hit

601
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:39,120
him over the head with you want to

602
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,240
defund the police you're out of your

603
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:42,480
mind why should we pay attention to you

604
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:44,240
the phrase should have been reform the

605
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:46,960
police so this is this is two classic

606
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:49,200
examples of really bad language in

607
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:51,840
activism now these are very intense

608
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:55,520
personal visceral violent types of of uh

609
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:58,000
periods we were in the the disclosure

610
00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:00,320
movement is not like that you don't have

611
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:02,080
people in the disclosure movement facing

612
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:04,880
down you know bully you know

613
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:07,679
billy billy club and shielded police

614
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:10,720
right uh it's a very rather

615
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:12,720
sedate intellectual

616
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:14,720
activist enterprise roughly i'm very

617
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:16,960
proud of that fact

618
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:19,200
but nevertheless it is activism and

619
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:21,039
there were a number of language problems

620
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:22,880
that had built up over the years

621
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:25,280
that were causing major problems

622
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:26,400
all right

623
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:28,480
one of them was ufo

624
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:31,520
which i did my part to try to to get to

625
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:32,799
minimize

626
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:33,600
uh

627
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,559
why

628
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:35,840
and this is a little harder for some

629
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:39,200
people to get but it's really important

630
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:42,720
the truth embargo succeeded in many ways

631
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:44,320
many tools were used but one of the most

632
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:45,360
important

633
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,039
was to demean and ridicule the issue

634
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:51,440
to such a degree that anybody that even

635
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:53,280
wanted to get involved in it was

636
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:54,480
ridiculed

637
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:56,000
right in other words why on earth would

638
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:57,760
you do that okay

639
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:59,039
in other words getting involved in the

640
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:00,960
ufo was like putting on a clown mask and

641
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:03,520
going to a to an office office event or

642
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,880
something and they were saying written

643
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:07,200
but how do you do that well one of the

644
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:09,200
ways you do it is you and this has been

645
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:10,640
done many times

646
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,880
is you pick something that is somewhat

647
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:14,480
very germane

648
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:15,200
to

649
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,400
um

650
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:18,240
the uh the subject that you're trying to

651
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:19,679
ridicule

652
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:21,120
or in the case of

653
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,799
of into people

654
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,720
it could be their race it could be their

655
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,400
religion it could be but pick something

656
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:28,559
that's universal to the group that the

657
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:29,679
issue the group you're trying to

658
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:32,640
minimize and then ridicule it he painted

659
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:34,640
it on like putting you know eight cups

660
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,320
of you know i mean to eight teaspoons of

661
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:38,320
sugar in your coffee

662
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:41,200
and the target was ufo that was the

663
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:42,799
target in other words if you're going to

664
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:45,360
ridicule the subject you talk about ufos

665
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:47,679
silly nonsense crazy what does that mean

666
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:49,840
all right now why does that work well

667
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:53,600
because by and large after 1950

668
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,320
anybody that wanted to engage the issue

669
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:58,080
they were dealing with ufos weren't they

670
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:59,840
and they had to they used that phrase it

671
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,760
was in the book titles it was everywhere

672
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,360
so yeah i'm in the ufos what do you

673
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,000
think of ufos and as that as that phrase

674
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:08,320
got more and more ridiculed it became

675
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:09,679
essentially

676
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,240
a badge that you had to virtually wear

677
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,400
so that everybody would know

678
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:16,640
you're crazy so it's so nice to meet you

679
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,280
but i i have a bus to catch all right

680
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:21,520
and this went on for decades

681
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,679
now the effect of that

682
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:25,280
was that if you're trying to get the

683
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,320
press

684
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,080
or the new york times or members of

685
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:30,159
congress or scientists or anybody in the

686
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:33,440
mainstream world the credentialed world

687
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:35,600
to deal with this issue

688
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,840
and you're you're talking ufos you've

689
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:38,880
lost them

690
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:41,039
yeah right you call up you call up a

691
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:42,559
congressional office say can i come and

692
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:44,799
talk to the talk to your your boss about

693
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:47,440
ufos i don't think so

694
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,400
now so in this sense the government's

695
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,320
that process was working extremely well

696
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:54,480
for the truth embargo very effective

697
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:55,440
and so

698
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:58,480
we had to get rid of it it had to go

699
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:59,360
why

700
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,159
because if you change it to another term

701
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,240
which finally is happening it really

702
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:06,559
didn't get underway the process really

703
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:07,919
start i say the

704
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:09,919
the the part where we actually

705
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:12,480
we moved to the positive on this

706
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,480
was when it came out of the mouth of the

707
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,960
candidate secretary hillary clinton uh

708
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:18,240
which by the way i'm going to take a lot

709
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:19,840
of credit for it because i can't even

710
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:21,919
begin to tell you everything i did with

711
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:25,039
respect to her campaign in getting that

712
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,760
issue in front of her and in front of

713
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,799
the press

714
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:30,559
so ultimately she goes on jimmy kimmel

715
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,039
in 2016 and she makes this statement oh

716
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:35,360
it's we have a new term now and you can

717
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,600
find this on google i mean on youtube

718
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:39,679
it's called uap unidentified aerial

719
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,799
phenomena okay fine good and since then

720
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:44,240
it's picked up you're seeing it more and

721
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:45,440
more why

722
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:46,799
it's simple

723
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:47,840
like

724
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:51,360
uap means exactly the same thing as ufo

725
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:54,080
okay but it doesn't have the 70 years of

726
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:56,960
ridicule heaped on it it is a neutral

727
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:59,200
phrase and so what that it made it

728
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:00,880
easier for journalists to write the

729
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:03,840
articles right uh there's been some

730
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:06,320
discussions about uap over here over

731
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:07,200
there

732
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:09,120
uh they put language in the they want to

733
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:10,400
put some language in one of the bills

734
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,080
which they have now five times it's

735
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,799
about uaps it's not about ufos

736
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,039
and that may not seem important but it

737
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:19,760
is language is really important let me

738
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,240
tell you bad language can destroy your

739
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,240
career it can destroy relationships it

740
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:25,919
can destroy movements

741
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:28,400
you got to get the language right and so

742
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,840
that is one

743
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:31,679
very important example now ufo's been

744
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,080
around for 75 years it's not going to

745
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,240
disappear overnight

746
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:38,640
it may never disappear however it has

747
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,159
been successfully now equated to uap and

748
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:44,480
that is used by the the journalists and

749
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:46,960
others to talk about the issue without

750
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:49,200
much of a taint which makes it easier

751
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,039
for them to do it

752
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:53,279
winner okay now other problems with

753
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:54,559
language

754
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,240
over the years the the the pro the

755
00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:00,960
program of the government to classify

756
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:02,080
deny

757
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:04,640
repress and so forth this issue for

758
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:06,159
national security reasons from the

759
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:07,919
american people and by the extension of

760
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:10,080
the world's people

761
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:12,080
not surprisingly given that the

762
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:14,080
government does cover stuff up okay it

763
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,679
was called a cover-up it was called the

764
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:17,360
ufo cover-up

765
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:19,600
you got two pieces of bad language

766
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:22,880
brought together ufo cover-up all right

767
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:25,919
first of all cover-up also is a problem

768
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:27,919
a lot of people very suspicious of that

769
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:30,320
kind of language conspiratorial ufo has

770
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:31,919
a problem so you're full cover-up you're

771
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:33,520
dead in the water right

772
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,799
excuse me sir i'd like to come in and

773
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,159
talk to your editor about the ufo

774
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:38,559
cover-up i don't think so he recently

775
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:40,159
left for europe he'll be back you know

776
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:43,039
next year in in march no

777
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,870
the the the manhattan project was not a

778
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,960
cover-up it was a classified research

779
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:54,960
program to build an atom bomb

780
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,000
right

781
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,760
the government's decision to embargo

782
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,760
this issue was a national security

783
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,919
policy it may not have been in the open

784
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:03,600
it may be under presidential directives

785
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:05,279
we've never seen or it may have been a

786
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:06,480
verbal directive it doesn't matter it

787
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,720
was a national security policy

788
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,799
done by good people in the interest of

789
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:12,080
our security

790
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,080
it is not a cover-up

791
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:16,640
it is an embargo that's the closest term

792
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:19,760
for it right they embargoed it from us

793
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:22,320
uh so i came up with the phrase back

794
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,399
around 2000 tooth embargo to replace

795
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:26,320
cover-up

796
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:27,360
um

797
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:28,880
so

798
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:31,440
that was again to make it easier for

799
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:33,200
journalists and other people to discuss

800
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:36,240
it yes i'd like to talk about the uap

801
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,320
embargo that that i've heard about

802
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,480
recently you know said you know the

803
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:42,720
associate professor of history at

804
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:45,120
stanford the hell right people go oh

805
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:46,960
really let's talk about that so we got

806
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,520
that okay

807
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,120
and then there's there's there's a

808
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:53,120
recent language problem that has just

809
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:55,120
come up or has been coming up for about

810
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,080
a year

811
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:58,720
that i'm definitely happy to talk about

812
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:00,640
because it's it's recent and it has

813
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:03,360
direct uh potential impact on this

814
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,880
process underway right now which is

815
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:06,480
leading to finally

816
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,120
ending the truth embargo which is

817
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,679
which would be a another language

818
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:13,679
contribution of mine disclosure with a

819
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,840
capital d not with the small d that's

820
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,760
been in play all the way back to the 80s

821
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:19,520
stephen greer probably did the most to

822
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,480
put disclosure small d into the arena

823
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:24,240
this is capital d disclosure it's a

824
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,679
proper noun it's an event it's like

825
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,520
christmas okay

826
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,520
and capital d disclosure is the day a

827
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,679
head of state probably the united states

828
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:33,520
president simply confirms there's an

829
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,960
extraterrestrial presence yes they're

830
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,880
here okay that's it that's all i have to

831
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:38,960
say and that is disclosure everything

832
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:41,360
after that post-disclosure disclosure

833
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:48,549
the

834
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,600
that is concerning me is whistleblower

835
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:56,000
now one of the key components of the

836
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,600
emerging

837
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,840
processed what small d disclosure pro or

838
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:01,679
not actually capital disclosure process

839
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,159
is underway specifically to end this

840
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:06,960
embargo through an orderly process

841
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:08,799
involving the department of defense and

842
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,440
congress and so forth

843
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,760
involves uh it will be centered on the

844
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:16,000
military witnesses which are finally

845
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,520
having an opportunity to come forward

846
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:19,600
with minimal risk

847
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,520
they've been out there forever

848
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:23,679
but for most of the last 75 years if you

849
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:26,159
were military either actively retired

850
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,480
and you decided to you wanted to go

851
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,720
uh rogue on this issue and

852
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:32,159
start hanging out at the new york times

853
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,679
and trying to you know slip on documents

854
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:35,120
or tell them something that was not

855
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,120
going to work out well for you so that's

856
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,760
changing and so there are a lot of

857
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:41,360
military witnesses that are willing to

858
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:43,760
come forward

859
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,159
not surprisingly there are many that

860
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,559
want to call them whistleblowers

861
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:50,159
all right because it has more impact

862
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:51,760
like pigs right

863
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:53,440
okay like defund the police it's got

864
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,840
more oomph okay whistleblowers are

865
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:58,080
coming forward to tell you the terrible

866
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:00,880
things that the government has done

867
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:02,000
no

868
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:06,320
what they want to be

869
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:08,559
these people are worked for the

870
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:09,520
government

871
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,080
in most cases very few cases

872
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:14,720
are are quite proud of their service

873
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,080
most of the witnesses we're talking

874
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:18,000
about are enacted now but there be a few

875
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:19,360
that will be active

876
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,679
uh they're proud of their service they

877
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:23,520
like their country

878
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,279
whistleblower the definition of

879
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:27,919
whistleblower is blowing the whistle on

880
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:29,679
illegal activity

881
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:31,520
going on in the organization that you

882
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,640
work for

883
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:34,480
and you come forward to spill the beans

884
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,200
you tried to raise the issue within they

885
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,880
wouldn't they wouldn't respond and so

886
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,559
you go public at that moment you're a

887
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:42,559
whistleblower all right

888
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:45,200
that is not what these uap witnesses are

889
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,200
they're not here to to tell us about

890
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:48,960
illegal activity

891
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:52,159
and so if you're a witness like a david

892
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,039
fravor or kevin day or dietrich or i

893
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:57,039
could go on and on or the nuclear

894
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:01,519
witnesses rob salas um shindel

895
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:03,679
you don't want it it's hard enough to

896
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:06,720
come forward and talk about this without

897
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,159
having people thinking that you're

898
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:10,080
blowing the whistle on the government

899
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:11,679
you're gonna spill the beans and the

900
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,559
government you're gonna all those

901
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:13,760
illegal things they're doing you're

902
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,640
gonna bring down the department no they

903
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:18,480
don't want that it doesn't help them at

904
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:19,200
all

905
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:21,519
there may be a couple that maybe

906
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,559
like the

907
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,559
the uh you know the charisma of being a

908
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,320
whistleblower but they are few and far

909
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,159
between and so i'm going to be pushing

910
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,960
back on that a lot as i am right now

911
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:32,399
they are witnesses they are not

912
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:34,880
whistleblowers let's get off of that if

913
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:37,200
you don't mind

914
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:38,080
and so

915
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:38,960
again

916
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,960
these are some of the language issues

917
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:42,000
i'm sure there's some others that may

918
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,840
come to me as we go forward but that's

919
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,840
part of my job i i i'm one of the few

920
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,000
people that are doing this almost nobody

921
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,080
out there on a regular basis and my and

922
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:52,399
i that i that i believe is actually

923
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:53,919
trying to talk about the language

924
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:56,000
problems within this activist movement

925
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:58,240
get those help get those fixed to make

926
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,039
it a lot easier for the larger society

927
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,840
to embrace the issue and resolve it

928
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:05,760
which is what activism is about it's not

929
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:06,960
just going out and running around the

930
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,039
streets and making a fuss and picketing

931
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,039
just for the sake of it you're always

932
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:13,120
trying to get a very significant result

933
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:15,039
almost always from authority and if you

934
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,360
don't get that result you failed

935
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:19,120
if you don't get the civil rights act

936
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,640
you failed if you don't get the right to

937
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:23,039
vote you failed if the british never

938
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:24,960
leave india you failed and if we don't

939
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:27,519
get disclosure we failed period right

940
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:28,960
all that other stuff is just strumming

941
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:29,760
down

942
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:31,279
to no effect

943
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,720
and so

944
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,399
you can't lose sight of the fact you

945
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,559
have to succeed and anything that is

946
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:38,880
counter to that process you've got to

947
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,919
deal with and uh i'm doing my best in

948
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:43,360
that regard

949
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,039
as far as um the geopolitical

950
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:49,039
implications that this is going to have

951
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:50,640
i mean to

952
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:52,559
everybody's waiting for the states to

953
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:54,799
come out and say hey

954
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:57,279
aliens exist or extra

955
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,919
dimensional entities exist or it could

956
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:02,240
be all of the above we i was talking to

957
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,360
um

958
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:05,120
michael paul masters

959
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,799
and you know he's got a theory that

960
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:09,120
they're extra tempestrial that means you

961
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,640
know people from the future are coming

962
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:12,480
back and visiting us so there's all

963
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:17,110
yeah yeah right i mean that to me that

964
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:19,360
that's an alien that's very temp tempest

965
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:22,159
tempest but i i could be wrong

966
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:22,960
yeah

967
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,399
didn't interrupt no uh and i i often

968
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,159
state that you know it could be the

969
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:30,480
reality that we're facing all of them

970
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,559
that it's a multitude of different

971
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:33,919
things that we're dealing with and

972
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:36,480
that's why it's so much secrecy around

973
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,679
the subject

974
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,760
but it could be i can assure you that

975
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,320
just et's from another planet say 50

976
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,720
light years away more than justifies all

977
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,640
the secrecy they've done oh yeah they

978
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:48,240
don't have to be they don't have to come

979
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:49,840
from the future or another dimension

980
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,320
just from another planet believe me they

981
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,799
would have locked it down totally yeah

982
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,880
and but do you think like it's going to

983
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:58,960
force humanity to to work together is

984
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,120
this going to compartmentalize even more

985
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:02,960
like saying that no the united states is

986
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,360
conducting its own investigations

987
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,600
and you know you got china that's or

988
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,359
japan i think just started their own

989
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:11,839
organization as well uh do you think

990
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:13,760
it's going to be more of an open network

991
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:15,679
of information at this point or are we

992
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:17,679
still going to have an issue of each

993
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:20,879
country for its own boy that's the kind

994
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:23,200
of question you ask of a 40 million

995
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,200
dollar funded think tank and they they

996
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:27,440
go to their people and produce 10 white

997
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,359
papers and then send them to you in the

998
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:31,599
mail right

999
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,510
disclosure will be the most profound

1000
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:39,679
event in human history

1001
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:42,240
it will probably affect the world on the

1002
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,200
basis of

1003
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:47,040
how many people in the world how many

1004
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:48,879
nations in other words how much of the

1005
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,280
world gets affected by the event and how

1006
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,280
fast the effect takes place i don't

1007
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,720
think any event in human history comes

1008
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,240
even close i mean it'll be just

1009
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:57,839
staggering right

1010
00:35:01,589 --> 00:35:00,160
okay so we know that

1011
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:01,599
and we know it's going to have all kinds

1012
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,200
of outcomes

1013
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:05,040
and and i'm sure

1014
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,640
you know i there's already been some

1015
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,880
books about that i should write one too

1016
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,880
but writing books apparently not my

1017
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,560
thing though who knows

1018
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:14,240
uh actually if i had some bucks i should

1019
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,760
just pay somebody to write the damn

1020
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,520
thing and put my name on it dude

1021
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,119
everybody else does you know that it

1022
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:21,440
works for some people out there and but

1023
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:23,200
again i've managed to stay poor this

1024
00:35:28,829 --> 00:35:25,599
entire 26 years but took great effort

1025
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:28,839
but i succeeded nicely um

1026
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:31,280
so how is the i don't know how the

1027
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,960
post-disclosure world is going to go i

1028
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,720
mean i can i am happy to spend as much

1029
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,320
time as you want speculating about the

1030
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:38,400
possibilities

1031
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:43,030
history

1032
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:46,160
is pretty clear

1033
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:47,200
that

1034
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:48,880
massive

1035
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:51,839
lying disinformation and propaganda

1036
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,160
almost never leads to anything good it

1037
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:56,880
always it never works out well okay it

1038
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:59,599
just doesn't you you see some short-term

1039
00:36:01,430 --> 00:36:00,560
gain

1040
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:01,440
okay

1041
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:03,920
uh and some authority

1042
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:06,720
uh agency whatever gets some short-term

1043
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,800
game from completely confabulating

1044
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:10,560
whatever the hell is going on and then

1045
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,200
down the line everything goes to hell

1046
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:15,680
all right we've seen this over and over

1047
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:16,880
again

1048
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:19,040
you have a perfect example going on

1049
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,480
right now literally as we're talking

1050
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:24,720
vladimir putin has essentially got to

1051
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:27,599
the position where he's got enough

1052
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,400
control of information

1053
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:32,480
that he has been able to pump out enough

1054
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,520
propaganda that he has a very

1055
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,280
significant portion

1056
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,200
of the russian people

1057
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:41,680
believing something is completely bogus

1058
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:42,640
all right

1059
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,480
which is giving him some very short

1060
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,800
strong short-term gain

1061
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:48,720
to be able to pursue

1062
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:50,240
a a war

1063
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:52,720
in uh any country

1064
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,720
because in the la last years of his life

1065
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:56,640
he wants to be peter the great

1066
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,800
and have a little more empire to be

1067
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:01,040
remembered for or whatever right i'm

1068
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:03,680
being generous frankly and so he's going

1069
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:05,520
to get some short-term gain from that

1070
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:06,880
and it's allowing him to make some of

1071
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:09,599
these maneuvers in the ukraine

1072
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,920
long-term it's a catastrophe

1073
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:13,119
for russia

1074
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,920
okay

1075
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,440
and if it leads to a nuclear war it's a

1076
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:17,359
catastrophe for everybody

1077
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,960
and we can go back and go back the

1078
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,480
vietnam war

1079
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:22,320
they decided to misrepresent the vietnam

1080
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:25,119
war to lie about the vietnam war right

1081
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,640
first of all it made it possible to

1082
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,720
continue the vietnam war well that was a

1083
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,160
catastrophe

1084
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,400
and then the soldiers came back that was

1085
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:34,000
created all kinds of problems for them

1086
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:35,760
it undermined confidence in government

1087
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,520
it caused enormous disruption huge

1088
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:39,839
disruption to society but they got some

1089
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:42,240
short-term gain the third-term game is

1090
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:43,599
if we lie a little bit about what's

1091
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:45,280
going on out there and misrepresent the

1092
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,200
gulf of tonkin event we can get the

1093
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:49,200
troops over there and for right now that

1094
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,960
is what we want that's the game we want

1095
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:52,400
get the troops over there because we get

1096
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,599
a bunch over there we're going to win

1097
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,280
this baby we're going to wrap this baby

1098
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:57,359
up and we're going to prevent communism

1099
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,800
from spreading through so there's your

1100
00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:00,400
short-term game long-term gain the

1101
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,000
vietnam war was catastrophic for the

1102
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:04,160
united states and you can go back over

1103
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:08,160
and over and over again the nazi

1104
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,880
uh the nazis as they slowly came to

1105
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:11,920
power

1106
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,800
began to service uh some how would you

1107
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:16,880
say misinformation

1108
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:18,880
they they took it to great lengths they

1109
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,920
created an entire false narrative

1110
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,760
about the way things were in europe and

1111
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,040
their country

1112
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:27,680
and it had a short-term gain of of

1113
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:31,839
allowing them to establish a third reich

1114
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:36,160
and so short term no problem long term

1115
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:38,320
germany was turned into a giant pile of

1116
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:39,920
smoking rubble

1117
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:42,640
are you following me here and so

1118
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,079
what's the point

1119
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,000
the point is if somebody wants to say to

1120
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,400
me look

1121
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:50,640
i mean let me put it this way

1122
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,200
the united states

1123
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:55,680
military intelligence complex with the

1124
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,680
with the agreement i think of the

1125
00:39:02,390 --> 00:38:59,440
president at the time

1126
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:02,400
truman and eisenhower and either the

1127
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:05,200
tacit or explicit agreement of further

1128
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:07,040
presidents

1129
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:08,480
made a decision

1130
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:11,119
that it was in the short-term interest

1131
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:13,040
of the united states

1132
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:15,440
that they would simply lie

1133
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,240
deny and obfuscate about the reality of

1134
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:20,880
this phenomena for an indefinite amount

1135
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,160
of time

1136
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:24,400
so i guess it wasn't totally short term

1137
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,000
it certainly was short term in the 40s

1138
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:28,240
and 50s and then it got extended into

1139
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:30,880
the 60s i don't think that their idea

1140
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:32,880
was we're going to keep this wrapped up

1141
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,520
and hidden underground for forever i

1142
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:37,280
think they just needed they wanted to

1143
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:39,119
sort of keep it under control until they

1144
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:40,079
saw

1145
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:41,280
how things were going to go with the

1146
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,560
soviet union

1147
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,640
because right after the war was over

1148
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,720
clearly a lot of people thought

1149
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:47,920
you know

1150
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:51,839
is in the kitchen and being cooked up

1151
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,440
right yeah we you know we've been there

1152
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:55,599
before and there were there were a lot

1153
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,079
of people advising uh truman

1154
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,320
um

1155
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:02,320
to invade the communi conveyed soviet

1156
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:04,720
union invade them immediately

1157
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:07,040
or nuke them drop a couple of nukes like

1158
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,640
we did in japan bring them to their heel

1159
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:10,880
get rid of stalin make a democracy

1160
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,839
because otherwise they're going to be

1161
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:13,280
the next enemy all that was going on it

1162
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:15,040
was it was really

1163
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:16,079
a mess

1164
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:17,040
and

1165
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,520
teaser here which is of course

1166
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:27,119
profound

1167
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:28,640
just because only a limited number of

1168
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:30,400
people know it doesn't make it any less

1169
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:32,079
profound

1170
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:34,000
and so they decided look and we until we

1171
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:35,359
know more we're going to keep this under

1172
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:39,280
wraps i i don't think i think i think

1173
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:41,119
that the top people

1174
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,359
in the late 40s and 50s

1175
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:45,680
i think their calculation which is not

1176
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:47,280
unreasonable

1177
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:48,640
was that

1178
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,720
either the situation with the soviet

1179
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:52,800
union will be resolved in a reasonable

1180
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:54,880
amount of time

1181
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:55,839
and

1182
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:57,760
we can avoid a

1183
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,400
you know repeating world war ii and

1184
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:02,079
possibly things will get

1185
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,800
get

1186
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:04,800
nice fairly comfortable and stable and

1187
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:06,240
we could bring this information out at

1188
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,680
that time or we're going to have a

1189
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:09,440
nuclear war in which case it won't

1190
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:11,040
matter whether we bring this information

1191
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,720
out and so it was not a hard decision to

1192
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,640
make i don't think what they i don't

1193
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:17,040
think any of them imagined

1194
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:20,480
again we're talking 19 early 1950s

1195
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:21,920
when that when the truth embargo starts

1196
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:23,839
to solidify after the robberson panel

1197
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,280
they really get serious about it start

1198
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:27,839
applying all their tools and nifty nifty

1199
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,800
you know

1200
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:30,400
the think tank stuff and thinking it

1201
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:33,440
through and planning and everything else

1202
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,200
i don't think they imagined in their

1203
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:37,040
wildest dreams that what was going to

1204
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:38,079
happen

1205
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:42,960
is that between 1947 and 1991 44 years

1206
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:46,000
ultimately nine countries

1207
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:47,599
would would

1208
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:48,880
build

1209
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:51,920
80 000 plus nuclear weapons

1210
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:55,280
put them on air make bombs for airplanes

1211
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:02,550
the sub-launch nuclear weapons

1212
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:06,000
torpedo nuclear weapons all right

1213
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,359
uh up to the level of 80 000 plus nine

1214
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:12,240
countries and put them on uh immediate

1215
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:14,800
launch capability i just don't think

1216
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,400
they could imagine it so that so that

1217
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,800
and and again if they had built maybe 5

1218
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:22,079
000 that would have been one thing but

1219
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:23,760
they built 80 000 which means they

1220
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,240
weren't satisf it wasn't just how much

1221
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,400
do we need to win the war it's just that

1222
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:30,000
one way we're going to keep the peace is

1223
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:31,520
building even more bombs than the other

1224
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,319
guy

1225
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,160
right in other words you can destroy our

1226
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,079
country eight times over we can destroy

1227
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:38,480
your country 20 times over so don't fall

1228
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,359
with us

1229
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:41,440
and i don't think they imagined

1230
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:44,960
that one of the core operational

1231
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:47,440
platforms on which the human race would

1232
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:48,800
would stand

1233
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:51,040
in the 20th century and be able to

1234
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,319
function

1235
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,640
was one of the greatest mutual uh or the

1236
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:56,480
greatest acronyms of all time mutual

1237
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:59,680
assured destruction which became a thing

1238
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,839
policy thing

1239
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:03,680
it's in it's in it's legislative it's in

1240
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,319
legislation it's in it's in papers in

1241
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,480
other words mutual assure destruction

1242
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:10,240
why should you be able to go to bed at

1243
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:11,920
night and feel comfortable you'll be

1244
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:13,599
able to wake up in the morning is

1245
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:15,440
because no nation

1246
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,839
is going to be stupid enough to

1247
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:19,760
initiate a nuclear war since they will

1248
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,000
also be destroyed yeah okay in other

1249
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:24,560
words it's a suicide pact

1250
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,440
completely putting aside accidents

1251
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,520
right the idea of reacting to people

1252
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:31,280
yeah yeah or crazy people are saying no

1253
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,079
but in terms of the same yeah so so that

1254
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:36,960
is in fact how we were able to rest easy

1255
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:39,280
at night nobody rested easy in the 20th

1256
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:41,440
century and so that they didn't see that

1257
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,480
coming and so as that goes on from 47 to

1258
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:46,720
91

1259
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:50,000
there was simply no opening

1260
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:51,599
up for

1261
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:54,880
any group within the pentagon or or

1262
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:57,440
our military services to make a

1263
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,359
legitimate case

1264
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,440
that maybe it's time for the world to

1265
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:03,520
know that we got some

1266
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:05,119
we got some e.t tech and they're

1267
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:07,119
definitely here and we know a lot about

1268
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:08,560
it we've even got some bodies all that

1269
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,400
kind of stuff no they could not make

1270
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,720
that case and so that locked it in for

1271
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:14,319
44 years

1272
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:17,680
right and and again legal policy

1273
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:20,240
the first opportunity where there was a

1274
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:21,359
possible

1275
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:26,560
to maybe end that embargo really doesn't

1276
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:27,920
come until the cold war ends in the

1277
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,359
soviet union

1278
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,119
dismantles right

1279
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:32,960
they give up

1280
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:34,079
you win

1281
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:35,119
okay

1282
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:37,359
we're going to give up 14 republics that

1283
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:38,800
we you know it's part of our vast

1284
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,240
communist empire we're going to let them

1285
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:42,640
go and they can do whatever they want

1286
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:43,839
and uh

1287
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,040
we're going to

1288
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,760
try democracy which they did

1289
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,359
they had elections but they were not

1290
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:51,040
really democratic elections they were

1291
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,960
all you know but no real elections i

1292
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:54,319
mean did that

1293
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,720
and then and then on christmas day 1991

1294
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:58,560
they outlawed the communist party can

1295
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:00,560
you imagine

1296
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:01,920
things got to a point where one of the

1297
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:04,000
parties democrats republicans were

1298
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,200
outlawed

1299
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,520
in other words that the congress

1300
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,440
came together and decided that one of

1301
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:11,280
the parties was so sick so disgusting

1302
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:12,800
we're going to outlaw it can you imagine

1303
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:13,680
that

1304
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,400
union after it became russia again all

1305
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:20,240
right or the russian republic right it

1306
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,760
is a republic there's still a number of

1307
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:23,280
republics okay

1308
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:24,400
so

1309
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,760
that happened

1310
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:27,680
and that was

1311
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:31,440
the opportunity of a century

1312
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:34,800
for the diplomats and the big thinkers

1313
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:37,359
uh and even the military people to say

1314
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:41,359
okay this is our window of opportunity

1315
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:44,240
right we we have seen past history going

1316
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,119
all the way back to samaria right

1317
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:50,160
it's an endless series of wars

1318
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,680
and and uh ethnic cleansing right and so

1319
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:55,680
forth and so forth and so forth

1320
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:57,200
the only difference being the wars got

1321
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,640
bigger and the weapons got worse i mean

1322
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,560
literally ten thousand years yeah and

1323
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,560
here we are

1324
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:04,960
it's 1991 we've got

1325
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,680
we've got a lot of global communications

1326
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,920
a lot of diplomas we have a u.n

1327
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:11,760
we've already seen what these weapons

1328
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:15,280
can do and so here is our chance

1329
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,960
and guess what

1330
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,720
we blew it

1331
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,880
history will just look back and say you

1332
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,720
blew it right

1333
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:24,079
too bad

1334
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:25,599
now

1335
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,400
nevertheless

1336
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,000
while they

1337
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:32,240
didn't do what was necessary

1338
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:35,200
to move us towards a a globe where we

1339
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:36,480
didn't have to live under mutual of

1340
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,079
certain destruction

1341
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,640
uh there was also there was an opportu

1342
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,640
one of the opportunities there

1343
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,720
not just nuclear

1344
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:46,480
non-proliferation maybe even getting rid

1345
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:48,160
of nukes in a reasonable amount of time

1346
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:49,359
not even

1347
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:50,319
uh

1348
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:52,720
having having a a broad scale to taunt

1349
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:55,280
across many countries and just

1350
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:56,560
minimizing

1351
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:00,160
the the uh fundamental military uh

1352
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,200
threats so that countries could start

1353
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:05,040
reducing their their military

1354
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:06,319
expenditures

1355
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:07,760
right because the threat system were

1356
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,960
there as much but they still have some

1357
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:10,240
military but they could start drawing

1358
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:13,280
down thus over the the next 30 years

1359
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,280
from from 1990 to to uh i mean to now

1360
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,920
but particularly the first 10 years

1361
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:21,839
the world would have trillions of other

1362
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:25,119
dollars to deal with other problems okay

1363
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:26,559
when you look at most of the problems

1364
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:29,040
today one of the reasons we have those

1365
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,240
is that the money that could have

1366
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,640
addressed those problems was spent on

1367
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:34,240
planes and

1368
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:36,559
and submarines and aircraft carriers and

1369
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,960
nuclear weapons and untold number of

1370
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:41,200
bases and millions of troops and on and

1371
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:45,359
on and on untold trillions of dollars

1372
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,960
in order to everybody had to protect

1373
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:48,640
themselves from everybody else

1374
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:49,520
right

1375
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:50,960
money that could have

1376
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:53,119
solved virtually every social

1377
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,280
and environmental issue we have today so

1378
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,520
again that was lost in that moment they

1379
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:59,440
didn't do that but one thing that did

1380
00:48:01,589 --> 00:48:00,800
have a shot

1381
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:01,599
was

1382
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:10,319
and so after 91 the ability to to pursue

1383
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:11,280
this

1384
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:13,040
became a lot

1385
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,920
more

1386
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:15,359
uh possible

1387
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,240
uh

1388
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,480
and and a number of people moved to the

1389
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,960
forefront to try to do this

1390
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:22,800
and this is this is called this what i

1391
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,880
call the exo politics of the last 30

1392
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:26,640
years

1393
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:28,000
and uh there are a number of people that

1394
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:29,359
we know about certainly stephen greer

1395
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,040
was one of the early players very early

1396
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:33,359
got in very quick

1397
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:35,359
as we know uh stephen schiff jumped in

1398
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:36,880
in 94 kirk

1399
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:39,040
carso writes his memoir

1400
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,040
right about roswell and the other stuff

1401
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,280
with with bill burns

1402
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:45,599
and things are kind of happening right

1403
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:46,800
uh

1404
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,359
about that same time john mack

1405
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:51,920
uh makes a decision in 92 roughly to

1406
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,000
engage this issue as a researcher and

1407
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,160
start dealing with contact ds holds a

1408
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:58,160
symposium at mit writes a book called

1409
00:49:03,030 --> 00:48:59,760
abduction i don't think he could have

1410
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,040
done that prior to 91 like in 85 or 86 i

1411
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:05,359
don't think so but different situation

1412
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:06,160
then

1413
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:11,839
and uh and and aren't bell decides to to

1414
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:14,160
allow exo politics onto his shows he

1415
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:15,839
hated politics didn't want to do it

1416
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,920
anymore but exo politics he said okay

1417
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:19,440
suddenly there's a platform with

1418
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:20,880
millions of people in the audience to

1419
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:23,520
listen to not just another ufo story but

1420
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,599
rather listen to the political uh

1421
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,760
history of this and so forth i i was

1422
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:29,520
fortunate to be able to do that i've

1423
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:31,839
done i don't know 50 shows on coast to

1424
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,240
coast not a lot lately but you know it's

1425
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:36,240
okay all of this is how you get a mug

1426
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:37,839
with your name on it right i haven't got

1427
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:40,640
one but i'm working on it um tom get me

1428
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:43,200
that mug man so and i'd use it right i'd

1429
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,880
be using it on the show right now yeah

1430
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:47,040
right yeah we'll get you a uap studies

1431
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:48,880
one brother don't worry about that yeah

1432
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:50,960
yeah okay so yeah no i would love a

1433
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:52,000
collection of mugs from all the

1434
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:54,000
podcasters bring them on bring them on

1435
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,839
so uh

1436
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:57,520
we made pro you know we didn't make much

1437
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:58,640
progress

1438
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:01,040
on the nuclear threat

1439
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,240
uh we finally got a proliferation treaty

1440
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:06,160
we got the nukes down to about 20 some

1441
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:07,839
thousand

1442
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,559
which is fine that saved some money

1443
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,960
but 20 000 is still four or five times

1444
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:14,559
more than it's necessary to pretty much

1445
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,319
end civilization right

1446
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:18,400
uh and it doesn't reduce the accident

1447
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:19,760
risk frankly

1448
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:23,440
uh we did we so we did a little that

1449
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,880
and but

1450
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:26,559
we really made progress on the

1451
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:29,200
disclosure front my view

1452
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,240
so

1453
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:32,640
that is moving forward in time

1454
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:34,640
now here is where it gets interesting

1455
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,470
as i see it okay

1456
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:43,670
is that

1457
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:48,870
well i mean this has probably been one

1458
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,319
of my one of the areas where i've

1459
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,240
contributed more than most

1460
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:55,200
in the last 20 some years

1461
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,480
what

1462
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:58,800
has emerged

1463
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:01,760
is something that's probably the single

1464
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:04,640
most important

1465
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:08,160
aspect of the phenomena

1466
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:09,520
all right

1467
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,240
as it is it as it's playing out on the

1468
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,480
earth in our time

1469
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,800
and that is

1470
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:18,800
that

1471
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:29,670
rather um ostentatious presence

1472
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:32,400
of extraterrestrials in the last

1473
00:51:34,829 --> 00:51:33,280
um

1474
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:34,839
75

1475
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:37,599
years and the

1476
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:39,680
nuclear arms race

1477
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:42,720
are not coincidences

1478
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,440
all right it's not like yeah well

1479
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:47,280
they they they're doing their thing just

1480
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:48,800
happened that we're doing the nuke thing

1481
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:50,480
and whatever there are other things

1482
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:52,240
going on in the world right then it's

1483
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:54,160
all a coincidence no it's not it turns

1484
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:54,960
out

1485
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:56,480
that there is a

1486
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:58,079
maybe the most single most important

1487
00:52:03,349 --> 00:51:59,760
thing about this phenomena is it's

1488
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:03,359
connected to the nuclear weapons

1489
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,680
yeah all right and once you go there and

1490
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:07,520
you start to think about it a lot it

1491
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:09,760
gets really really

1492
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:11,680
interesting

1493
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:15,440
so the way i would sum it up

1494
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:18,480
is this

1495
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,800
the ets

1496
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:22,400
accelerated

1497
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:25,839
and expanded their activities

1498
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,200
or at least

1499
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:30,000
activities that we could see

1500
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:32,480
aft because of the bombs dropped in in

1501
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,920
japan

1502
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,920
not just that we built one tested it but

1503
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:37,440
we actually dropped it and dropped it on

1504
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:38,720
our own people

1505
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,400
we didn't blow up a bunch of fish we've

1506
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,160
dropped it on human beings men women

1507
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,400
babies children cats dogs right which

1508
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:46,800
kind of showed where we were at right

1509
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:47,920
you know if you're an e.t you're looking

1510
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:49,839
at well that's an impressive display of

1511
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:50,640
uh

1512
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:52,480
a violence you got there you know i mean

1513
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:54,880
you know you really hate each other

1514
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:56,240
yeah you're not a race to be being

1515
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:57,760
fooled with okay

1516
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:58,640
uh

1517
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:00,880
we need to rethink you know who you are

1518
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:02,800
what you are where are you going okay

1519
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:03,520
so

1520
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,319
that was not an accident all right

1521
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:08,000
but i think it's more than that i think

1522
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,839
that the ets probably knew well in

1523
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:11,280
advance that we would probably do

1524
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:13,359
exactly that and they were already

1525
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:14,800
planning i think

1526
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:17,359
what they were going to do

1527
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,960
and so

1528
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:20,960
as the next 70 years goes by which

1529
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,359
didn't have to be 70 years i mean it's

1530
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:24,880
we might have had an arms race that

1531
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:27,119
lasted 15 years and then come to our

1532
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:29,920
senses and started non-proliferation

1533
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:32,800
right started cutting back down and had

1534
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:35,119
a much safer world with an interfaith

1535
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,400
could have been that way

1536
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,920
but in which case things would have

1537
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:39,599
happened much quicker in my view but we

1538
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:41,040
didn't do that in fact we took it to the

1539
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:43,280
limit right we took it to the absolute

1540
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:44,319
limit

1541
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,950
they they have been their activity

1542
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:52,800
amongst other things

1543
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:54,880
has had the goal

1544
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:58,000
of increasing the awareness of the human

1545
00:54:01,910 --> 00:54:01,040
race to their presence

1546
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:01,920
uh

1547
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:05,280
to the end of or to the purpose

1548
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:06,400
of

1549
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:11,839
disclosure formal

1550
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:14,000
uh acknowledgement of their presence by

1551
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,960
governments not just by mufon or you

1552
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,960
know the lady up the street right

1553
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:20,880
but rather uh the government meaning

1554
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:25,200
formal yeah acknowledging it here now

1555
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:28,000
it's one day we may ask them why didn't

1556
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:29,280
you why weren't you more aggressive

1557
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:31,040
about that i mean you could have made

1558
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,520
your presence pretty pretty clear you

1559
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:36,000
could have forced the issue any time but

1560
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:38,880
instead you you sort of went along with

1561
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:41,760
the graduation of this in other words

1562
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:44,319
uh you know sightings and you know we're

1563
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:46,000
doing our own research down here and

1564
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:48,160
writing it up and talking about it

1565
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:49,839
and so forth and it's slowly moving

1566
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:50,799
forward

1567
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:53,520
uh but it could have been much quicker

1568
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:55,839
you chose to go with a you know a

1569
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:58,640
relatively slow approach my guess is is

1570
00:55:03,270 --> 00:54:59,680
that

1571
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:03,280
a a an aggressive forced or

1572
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:04,559
a rapid

1573
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:05,680
lead

1574
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:07,040
forced uh

1575
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:09,680
acknowledgement with uh driven by them

1576
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,599
would in their view been too disruptive

1577
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,200
and they didn't want to do that they did

1578
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:15,599
not want to cause that much upset

1579
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:18,160
so they were balancing the effects of

1580
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,799
disclosure against the risk of nuclear

1581
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:22,400
war and so forth and

1582
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,920
and you know what they think of nuclear

1583
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:25,440
war is another matter i'd love to ask

1584
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,160
them one day but in any event they are

1585
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,480
there's a reason that they put the crop

1586
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:33,119
circles down in the uk not just because

1587
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,640
they're doing you know because they like

1588
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:36,240
refrigerator art

1589
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,920
right they're putting they're putting it

1590
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:39,760
down there for a reason the fact that

1591
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,680
some uh some college kids tried to

1592
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:43,200
create their own great that just creates

1593
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:44,960
a little dialogue going i give a crap

1594
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:46,720
but yes but i believe not all of those

1595
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,400
cross circles are made by

1596
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,720
you know college kids on on on

1597
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:53,040
on on vacation or god knows doug and

1598
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:54,640
dave so

1599
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:56,000
and then you know it's a reason that

1600
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:58,240
when they when they take the blood and

1601
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:00,480
tissues from certain animals

1602
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,960
which they do they just don't take the

1603
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:04,799
animal drop it in the ocean i mean you

1604
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:06,799
know the farmer wakes up and

1605
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:08,319
the cow's gone

1606
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,240
what do you do about that right somebody

1607
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:12,400
stole it somebody stole the cow right

1608
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,920
call the sheriff the sheriff goes look

1609
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,599
around can't find your cow that's too

1610
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,760
bad write it off on your insurance

1611
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:19,200
instead the farmer comes out and there's

1612
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,119
damn cal there it's missing you know key

1613
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:23,599
elements of its it's a reproductive

1614
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:25,200
system and there's no blood there's no

1615
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,880
tracks there's no nothing you know

1616
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:29,040
that's kind of in your face isn't it

1617
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:30,960
it's like okay i took your cow's blood

1618
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:32,559
and i left the cow what do you think of

1619
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,000
that right there's uh you know the

1620
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:38,880
revelation or the disclosure of these

1621
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:40,720
entities being here

1622
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:43,119
also gives validity to these other cases

1623
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:45,839
such as cattle mutilation abduction

1624
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:48,480
phenomenon it opens up that that gate

1625
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,720
for that discussion well all of it gives

1626
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:52,799
validity to the other in other words in

1627
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:55,200
other words uh the sightings of craft in

1628
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:56,960
the sky sightings of craft on the ground

1629
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:59,760
crop circles animal mutilation abduction

1630
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:00,720
reports

1631
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:03,760
any one of them alone yeah if all that

1632
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,680
was going on in the last number of years

1633
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,200
is cows kept turning up without any

1634
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:09,280
blood is that going to lead to a

1635
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:11,040
worldwide effort to confirm an

1636
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:12,880
extraterrestrial presence no

1637
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:15,359
but when you take it all together

1638
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,000
ah well you've got about you have enough

1639
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,400
circumstantial evidence to uh to

1640
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:22,400
indicate clearly that's what's going on

1641
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:24,319
and so

1642
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:28,079
all right so if that is the case

1643
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:29,839
if they are

1644
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:32,079
happy with a disclosure process to

1645
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:35,599
proceed at a pace that they're

1646
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:39,359
satisfied with without accelerating it

1647
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:40,960
why

1648
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:46,000
what difference does it make to them

1649
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:48,160
whether we acknowledge their presence or

1650
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:49,760
don't

1651
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:51,920
is it you know they they want to open up

1652
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:53,680
trade relations and until we acknowledge

1653
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:54,720
them we can't get into the trade

1654
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,160
relations right

1655
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,000
because man they can make underwear even

1656
00:58:01,670 --> 00:58:00,240
cheaper than the chinese i don't know

1657
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:01,680
the point is is that that's one

1658
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:04,000
possibility but i seriously doubt that

1659
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:07,040
is the reason right but there has to be

1660
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:09,680
a reason we know enough about the et's

1661
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:11,200
and their activities here to know that

1662
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:13,920
it is not a joke it is not happenstance

1663
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:16,960
that is very organized orderly

1664
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:19,440
thought through this is not

1665
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:20,880
you know these are not people on

1666
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:23,760
vacation building sand castles at a

1667
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:24,640
beach

1668
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:27,280
you know in the caribbean all right

1669
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,720
well i thought about it a lot and i have

1670
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:30,240
strong opinions about it i'm happy to

1671
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:31,119
say

1672
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:32,640
um

1673
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,839
that

1674
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:35,520
among other things

1675
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,440
the last 70 years is about getting us to

1676
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:38,960
a point where we could disclose

1677
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:41,760
ourselves to ourselves about them

1678
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:43,440
right

1679
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:46,000
without them being too much in our face

1680
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:50,710
and it could have happened sooner than

1681
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:53,839
now but but uh 75 years is one life span

1682
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:55,839
it's not awful if it's not a terrible

1683
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:57,839
length of time for them it might be a

1684
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,920
trivial length of time but but for a

1685
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:01,680
person that lives only 70 to 80 years

1686
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:03,200
yeah it's a long goddamn time but

1687
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:05,200
whatever 75 years okay

1688
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:07,440
okay so get disclosure okay fine and the

1689
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:09,280
next question is well

1690
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:12,720
why do they want us to disclose okay

1691
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:15,520
why does it matter to them all right

1692
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,319
well

1693
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:18,400
there's a lot of silly reasons why you

1694
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:19,760
could you could answer how you could

1695
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:21,680
answer that question

1696
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:23,680
but i think the answer is actually

1697
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:27,280
pretty clear and the key to that answer

1698
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:28,880
is of course

1699
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:31,200
understanding the most important

1700
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:34,240
et related phenomena that we know of

1701
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:36,319
and we have witnesses too

1702
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:37,839
and that is the tampering with our

1703
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:39,839
nuclear weapons

1704
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:43,520
repeatedly

1705
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:46,000
and in the soviet union and possibly in

1706
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:47,200
russia

1707
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,960
after 91

1708
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:50,799
by the extraterrestrials

1709
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:53,280
that's a pretty big deal

1710
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,520
okay they're not flying down over our

1711
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:57,119
amusement parks and turning off our

1712
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:58,559
ferris wheels

1713
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:01,200
they're turning off our nuclear weapons

1714
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:02,640
and

1715
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:06,240
which is kind of important

1716
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:08,640
okay that's not the same as melting them

1717
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:10,960
down and so the a craft turned up over

1718
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:14,000
the over the the site and melted 10

1719
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:15,920
nuclear weapons in the space of like 20

1720
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:18,000
seconds now we've got this giant pile of

1721
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:20,319
melted metal and we're having to close

1722
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:22,799
that base down and right that would be a

1723
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:25,599
very different thing okay

1724
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,200
but it gets even better and we have

1725
01:00:30,870 --> 01:00:29,040
witnesses to this

1726
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:30,880
in addition to turning them off which i

1727
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,240
think sends a a very interesting message

1728
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,559
that certainly frightened uh you know it

1729
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:38,319
got it got it got the attention of the

1730
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,079
security people at those bases got the

1731
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:42,480
attention of the commanders in the silos

1732
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:43,839
and i'm sure it got the attention of the

1733
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:45,200
base commanders when they finally got

1734
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:46,960
the information

1735
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:49,119
on a few occasions

1736
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:51,920
exactly how many i think at least two

1737
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,720
that i think are kind of known about

1738
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:56,880
uh but it may be more than two

1739
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:57,920
they didn't turn them off they turned

1740
01:01:03,190 --> 01:00:58,880
them on

1741
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:03,200
them in the launch cycle

1742
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:05,440
which is interesting right turning them

1743
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:07,040
off could just be i don't know

1744
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:09,599
simultaneously somehow able to

1745
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:11,599
you know remotely clip some circuits

1746
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,640
right

1747
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:14,400
turning them on means they're able to

1748
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:15,599
get into

1749
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:19,119
the the uh the hardware software that we

1750
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,240
use

1751
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:22,000
to execute

1752
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,960
a launch procedure which starts with two

1753
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:26,640
keys turning which then sets in some

1754
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:28,160
electrons moving around whatever the

1755
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:30,480
next they did it turn them on

1756
01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:32,000
and so you're down there you're eating a

1757
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:33,760
ham sandwich

1758
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:35,119
right you're honest you're on one of

1759
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:36,319
your shifts

1760
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:37,760
eight hours or twelve hours you eat a

1761
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:39,920
ham sandwich everything is fine and all

1762
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:41,119
of a sudden the clang ons are going

1763
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:43,359
clang clang clang clang clang and you

1764
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:45,839
realize that is the indication that the

1765
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:47,359
missiles are starting into launch

1766
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:49,760
secrets except you and your other buddy

1767
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:51,760
eating a ham sandwich

1768
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:57,829
try to be try to imagine yourself that

1769
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:59,599
guy those guys

1770
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:01,520
okay you haven't turned the keys to

1771
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:03,200
launch the the missiles are going to

1772
01:02:05,829 --> 01:02:04,559
launch cycle

1773
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:05,839
i tell you they have to be in good shape

1774
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:07,280
that they had a heart attack right then

1775
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:08,319
and there

1776
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:10,079
so now you've got them running around

1777
01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:12,160
the facility going up to the you know

1778
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:14,720
whatever trying to figure how

1779
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:16,559
do we stop this

1780
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:18,480
well guess what

1781
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:21,200
not surprisingly these launch

1782
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:23,200
the launch technology used in these

1783
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:25,520
missile sites was very much designed so

1784
01:02:30,069 --> 01:02:28,480
you couldn't stop it right like like now

1785
01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:30,079
some guy couldn't go up and say hey guys

1786
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:31,280
i really don't think we should launch

1787
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:32,720
these missiles i'm going to do this and

1788
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:35,039
this and it's going to stop uh-uh once

1789
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:37,119
they get started the launch process is

1790
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:39,359
now out of your reach you can take a

1791
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:41,599
hatchet to the damn equipment there and

1792
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:44,000
the thing it's not going to stop it

1793
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:46,640
so these guys were weighted sheets

1794
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:48,480
now that's another message isn't it i've

1795
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:50,160
done the type

1796
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:52,880
and those that that cycle went on

1797
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:54,880
until it's virtually right there to

1798
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:56,079
launch

1799
01:03:00,829 --> 01:02:58,640
and they're all sitting thinking well

1800
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:00,839
whatever they were thinking and it

1801
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:03,359
stops now that's a pretty powerful

1802
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:05,440
message they did it at least once here

1803
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:08,079
and they did it once in the soviet union

1804
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:10,240
why do you do that

1805
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:11,760
okay but

1806
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:13,359
i kind of know

1807
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:16,240
there's multiple messages here one of

1808
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:18,480
them is why do you have these weapons

1809
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:19,680
right are you

1810
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:22,319
are you you need to grow up uh you're

1811
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:24,240
acting like children and why do you have

1812
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:26,319
these weapons it took

1813
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:28,400
several billion years for life to evolve

1814
01:03:31,029 --> 01:03:30,000
to the point where somebody could play

1815
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:31,039
chess

1816
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:32,160
okay

1817
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:34,400
or build a rocket to go to the moon

1818
01:03:38,549 --> 01:03:36,160
and you have established a basis by

1819
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:38,559
which you could blow it all up

1820
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:40,160
why would you do that

1821
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:41,440
you know

1822
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:43,599
i mean it's the worst case of spending

1823
01:03:48,630 --> 01:03:46,240
an entire day building a wonderful sand

1824
01:03:50,309 --> 01:03:48,640
castle on the beach it stretches out for

1825
01:03:51,990 --> 01:03:50,319
50 feet in all directions and people are

1826
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:52,000
taking photographs of it and then you

1827
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:54,079
jump up and you jump into it to smash it

1828
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:55,359
all up right

1829
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:57,039
it's kind of like that only a billion

1830
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:59,200
times worse so

1831
01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:01,680
pretty strong message there

1832
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:04,240
so if you take all of that

1833
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:05,839
and you put it in a mixer and shake it

1834
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:09,200
up what kind of cocktail do you get

1835
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:12,400
this is the cocktail that i see

1836
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:14,400
this is all helping us to get to where

1837
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:16,880
we have to go disclosure anything the

1838
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:18,960
et's do that the activist movement could

1839
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:20,559
use we used it

1840
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:22,319
have have i gone have i done everything

1841
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:24,240
i can to get the uh the nuclear witness

1842
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:25,920
testimony out there in front of the

1843
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:27,920
press in front of the immediate bet

1844
01:04:32,710 --> 01:04:29,680
have the witnesses done that you bet

1845
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:32,720
they you know but this particular area

1846
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:34,480
is absolutely

1847
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:36,799
sequestered in a sense in other words

1848
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:40,000
the government might respond to this

1849
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:41,440
you know thing or that thing but when it

1850
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:43,280
comes to the nuclear tampering what

1851
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:45,599
nuclear tampering what ets what nuclear

1852
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:47,119
sites who the hell are you where did you

1853
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,119
come from they don't they actually they

1854
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:51,359
don't even do that they say nothing

1855
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:53,359
because to say or do anything invites

1856
01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:54,720
questions they can't answer and so

1857
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:56,160
they've just tried as hard as they can

1858
01:04:59,190 --> 01:04:57,599
to pretend bob salas and everybody else

1859
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:59,200
doesn't exist

1860
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:01,119
and the articles written in back then in

1861
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:03,280
the minot newspaper were never written

1862
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:05,200
and on and on and on it's a tough it's

1863
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:06,559
one of the reasons the truth embargo

1864
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:08,240
ultimately has to end you can't keep

1865
01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:09,839
keep doing this

1866
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:11,520
and so

1867
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:17,750
when

1868
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:19,920
we get disclosure

1869
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:21,680
i believe

1870
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:22,559
that

1871
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:24,559
uh

1872
01:05:29,109 --> 01:05:27,280
we will have

1873
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:29,119
a another chance

1874
01:05:34,630 --> 01:05:32,079
like we had in 1991 when soviet union

1875
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:34,640
eliminated the communist party the world

1876
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:36,640
will have another chance to

1877
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:38,960
step back and say hmm

1878
01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:40,880
how do we want to how do we want to move

1879
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:42,720
forward here right

1880
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:44,799
uh china we'll have to maybe rethink

1881
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:48,720
taiwan iran will have to maybe rethink

1882
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:51,119
terrorism uh as a as a tool of

1883
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:54,000
diplomatic means uh the israelis and the

1884
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:55,359
palestinians have to rethink their

1885
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:58,000
relationship i can go in and obviously

1886
01:06:03,510 --> 01:05:59,440
russia has got to decide whether he

1887
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:03,520
wants to join and on and on and on okay

1888
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:04,480
and then

1889
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:06,960
so that's a good thing right so

1890
01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:09,680
i think that will open that door now we

1891
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:11,599
are a far more global civilization than

1892
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:14,000
we were in 91 it's been 30 years

1893
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:16,000
okay

1894
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:17,440
anybody can talk to anybody in this

1895
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:19,280
planet unless the government blocks you

1896
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:21,039
you want to talk to somebody in istanbul

1897
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:23,599
no problem go online and and send them

1898
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:27,680
an email right uh and and and and or you

1899
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:29,039
can send them a text and they've got to

1900
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:31,039
translate it'll translate the damn thing

1901
01:06:35,349 --> 01:06:32,960
everybody can communicate we have a very

1902
01:06:36,789 --> 01:06:35,359
global society so when we when we come

1903
01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:36,799
to reassess

1904
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:37,839
things

1905
01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:40,079
after disclosure as in the next day

1906
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:41,920
starts the next day

1907
01:06:45,829 --> 01:06:44,000
there's an extraordinary opportunity for

1908
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:45,839
us to actually start coming up to some

1909
01:06:48,309 --> 01:06:47,119
mature

1910
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:48,319
sensible

1911
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:49,440
positive

1912
01:06:51,910 --> 01:06:50,960
productive

1913
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:51,920
uh

1914
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:53,200
concepts

1915
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:54,720
i call it the gold the beginning of the

1916
01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:57,119
golden age of reform

1917
01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:59,119
which would be very important if we're

1918
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:01,599
going to finally denuclearize this world

1919
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:03,280
in other words if we're going to end up

1920
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:04,480
if we're going to have a world where we

1921
01:07:09,029 --> 01:07:06,559
do not live every single day

1922
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:09,039
under the uh at the blessing

1923
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:10,960
of mutual assured destruction we're

1924
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:12,640
going to have to undergo a tr for

1925
01:07:16,230 --> 01:07:14,480
performative transformation

1926
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:16,240
i believe disclosure is the next

1927
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:19,520
opportunity 1991 was an opportunity this

1928
01:07:25,510 --> 01:07:22,319
is the magnitudes more significant and

1929
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:25,520
so that's number one okay why disclosure

1930
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:28,400
needs to happen because if the planet

1931
01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:30,240
uh we're able to

1932
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:33,039
to adjust and and reform and get to

1933
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,160
another place

1934
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:36,480
i believe the et's consider that in

1935
01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:40,000
their interests okay that's number one

1936
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:41,760
number two and this is where it gets

1937
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:42,960
real fun

1938
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:45,039
right

1939
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:47,440
if i if if the strategy that i'm

1940
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:49,440
projecting is correct

1941
01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:52,559
and we get disclosure say this year

1942
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:54,319
we know what's going to happen

1943
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:56,160
is that worldwide there's going to be

1944
01:08:00,150 --> 01:07:58,640
this massive interest in all things

1945
01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:00,160
extraterrestrial

1946
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:02,160
there everybody is going to be a

1947
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:05,359
complete re-examination of every book

1948
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:07,680
and research paper and and everything

1949
01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:11,119
has ever been produced since 1947 that

1950
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:12,799
have been dismissed because it's a bunch

1951
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:15,599
of ufo stuff with oh whoa wow

1952
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:17,040
so they're going to start reading all of

1953
01:08:19,590 --> 01:08:18,719
the big guys they're reading their books

1954
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:19,600
they're going to read the studies

1955
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:20,560
they're going to go over and really oh

1956
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:21,759
wow there's a lot of important

1957
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:24,239
information here that's one two there's

1958
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:25,600
going to be enormous pressure on every

1959
01:08:28,630 --> 01:08:27,040
government in the world to start putting

1960
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:28,640
out what they know

1961
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:30,560
uk canada

1962
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:32,400
china russia whatever

1963
01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:34,400
now some countries will be more obliging

1964
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:36,080
than others but the point is is that we

1965
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:37,359
know the governments have a great deal

1966
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:38,719
of information we know it's all

1967
01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:40,480
classified but

1968
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:42,719
let's get some of it out right but start

1969
01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:44,480
small we don't have to get you know big

1970
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:46,159
stuff but let's let's start getting that

1971
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:47,520
information out

1972
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:49,679
and and and then of course the content

1973
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:51,359
and i'm aware of this is already going

1974
01:08:54,149 --> 01:08:52,799
on hollywood's going to go bonkers

1975
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:54,159
hollywood's already going backwards you

1976
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:56,560
can't imagine how many e.t

1977
01:09:01,510 --> 01:08:59,759
non-fiction projects are are going on in

1978
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:01,520
this town right now i mean and they're

1979
01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:02,799
actually going around wanting more in

1980
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:04,159
other words you know i i need a

1981
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:05,359
non-fiction e.t what do you got what do

1982
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:06,799
you got

1983
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:08,560
i'm going to generate this stuff all

1984
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,319
over the world right and so

1985
01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:12,319
all of this information plus 10 million

1986
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:14,719
podcasts and everything else

1987
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:16,880
is going to amount to a massive auto

1988
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:19,279
didactic learning curve where the planet

1989
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:22,080
will self-educate itself to what's going

1990
01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:24,239
on with the ets

1991
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:25,839
now imagine that going on for a couple

1992
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:28,000
years

1993
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:31,120
a whole lot of information is going to

1994
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:32,640
be exchanged

1995
01:09:36,550 --> 01:09:34,400
a whole lot of knowledge is going to be

1996
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:36,560
uh obtained and and

1997
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:38,880
and and and the the reality of an et

1998
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:40,480
presence will become

1999
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:42,400
standard it will become accepted it will

2000
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:44,239
become normalized and it will be you

2001
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:45,759
know taught in all the universities and

2002
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:48,080
everything else and you know almost a

2003
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:50,319
ho-hum thing though clearly it'll never

2004
01:09:53,829 --> 01:09:52,400
be totally ho-hum

2005
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:53,839
and so

2006
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:56,719
at that point about two years

2007
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:58,960
if i'm the et's that's when i engage

2008
01:10:01,110 --> 01:09:59,920
openly

2009
01:10:02,310 --> 01:10:01,120
i don't know if they've had background

2010
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:02,320
meetings with other governments i don't

2011
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:03,360
know if they've cut deals signed

2012
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:05,199
treaties i have no idea i know they're

2013
01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:06,560
taking people out of their bedroom at

2014
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:08,080
two in the morning which is not exactly

2015
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:09,840
a formal engagement

2016
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:11,280
and and and they're not sitting down and

2017
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:13,280
having you know discussions or nuclear

2018
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:15,520
arms discussions or something no

2019
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:17,199
but and there's a lot of that going on

2020
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:18,719
there's hundreds of thousands if not

2021
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:20,960
millions of reports of that

2022
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:23,360
not public but privately you know

2023
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:25,040
submitted all that

2024
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:26,320
so

2025
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:31,270
open contact in this sense i'm talking

2026
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:32,960
about

2027
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:34,880
the united states or any government or

2028
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:35,920
the u.n

2029
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:37,920
uh announcing that they are they've had

2030
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:40,560
some discussions of one in one form or

2031
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:41,600
fashion

2032
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:44,400
with a certain extraterrestrial group

2033
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:45,600
and

2034
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:48,560
here's a summary of that discussion

2035
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:49,360
right

2036
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:51,280
i'm not i'm not exaggerating here i

2037
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:52,960
think that's what's going to happen this

2038
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:55,199
is open contact so now there is actually

2039
01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:57,120
a dialogue that doesn't mean that

2040
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:58,880
they're they're going on television

2041
01:11:02,550 --> 01:11:00,080
sitting down

2042
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:02,560
with uh woof woof blitzer so it just

2043
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:04,560
means that there is a there is a

2044
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:06,640
communication that is being

2045
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:08,880
uh confirmed and formalized and we may

2046
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:10,000
even

2047
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:12,400
be getting information about that which

2048
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:14,000
then raises the question

2049
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:17,040
what will the communication be about

2050
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:19,040
what would the et's

2051
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:22,560
be most probably wishing to discuss with

2052
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:25,199
us in a post-disclosure world after

2053
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:26,800
we've become fully

2054
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:28,800
acclimated to their reality

2055
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:30,880
and not going to be shocked you know

2056
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,360
that's that that that's all past

2057
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:35,280
what are they going to talk about

2058
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:37,360
i don't know

2059
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:39,440
their home planet you know you know it's

2060
01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:41,440
like you know uh the marketing

2061
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:44,480
possibilities for selling goods uh yeah

2062
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:45,600
here's what they're going to talk about

2063
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:46,800
they're going to talk about nuclear

2064
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:48,320
weapons of course

2065
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:49,760
aren't they

2066
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:51,679
okay now why are they talking about

2067
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:53,760
nuclear weapons right it's a totally

2068
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:55,040
legitimate reason they don't have to

2069
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:58,239
talk about them why do they even care

2070
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:59,360
right

2071
01:12:02,470 --> 01:12:00,719
okay

2072
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:02,480
two reasons

2073
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:04,640
if anybody's got a better one i'm happy

2074
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:06,560
to receive an email

2075
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:08,719
the first reason

2076
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:11,280
they're reasonably intelligent wise

2077
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:12,880
thoughtful

2078
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:14,320
beings

2079
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:16,880
that are somewhat offended by the idea

2080
01:12:21,750 --> 01:12:20,000
of a an advanced civilization

2081
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:21,760
uh of relatively

2082
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:23,679
significant technology

2083
01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:26,080
that has taken so long to to develop

2084
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:28,000
over well a couple billion years

2085
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:28,960
actually

2086
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:31,040
uh destroying itself and sending itself

2087
01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:33,280
back a thousand years and we're ruining

2088
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:35,920
the environment destroying the biosphere

2089
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:37,440
this offends them

2090
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:38,239
i

2091
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:42,320
person would be offended by that so they

2092
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:44,480
would prefer that did not happen

2093
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:46,320
okay

2094
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:47,760
and secondly

2095
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:53,189
we are a problem for them

2096
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:58,400
become a problem for them

2097
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:00,320
now here is your basic fundamental

2098
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:03,280
reason it's a self-serving thing

2099
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,960
how could we be a problem for

2100
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:06,480
extraterrestrials

2101
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:07,760
right

2102
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:10,000
there's only one way that happens

2103
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:12,080
all right

2104
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:15,440
we figure out how to fly between stars

2105
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:17,600
interstellar drive

2106
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:20,239
the work around to relativity which

2107
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:22,080
there's quite a few scientists there's

2108
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:23,520
quite a few

2109
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:25,280
posts flying around on the net right now

2110
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:26,800
and places you can go where you can you

2111
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:28,719
can hear very smart people talking about

2112
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:30,640
exactly that

2113
01:13:35,189 --> 01:13:32,800
it's no secret that we are working on

2114
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:35,199
that in the public sector we have no

2115
01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:37,199
idea how much progress has been made in

2116
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:39,920
the military world of classified world

2117
01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:41,360
but they've been they've been studying

2118
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:44,080
it with mass resources for 70 years okay

2119
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:45,760
including antibiotics vitix somebody

2120
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:47,840
once said we now have the technology to

2121
01:13:52,149 --> 01:13:49,840
take et homes yeah i take et home right

2122
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:52,159
yeah it's been rich well that alone says

2123
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:53,760
we've been trying to work

2124
01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:55,920
uh to do that maybe we had it maybe

2125
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:58,000
we're working on a point is is that

2126
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:59,440
we're gonna figure out interstellar

2127
01:14:01,750 --> 01:14:00,480
drive

2128
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:01,760
okay fine

2129
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:03,679
but and we're gonna figure it out pretty

2130
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:06,719
soon well we got these nuclear weapons

2131
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:07,840
and so

2132
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:10,400
what do you think the chances are

2133
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:13,360
that a government is going to

2134
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:15,520
build a starship

2135
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:19,520
a real starship not elon musk starship

2136
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:22,560
and head on out to see what's out there

2137
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:24,000
probably starting with the century

2138
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:25,280
system

2139
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:27,120
and just go out there

2140
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:28,640
with goodwill

2141
01:14:32,790 --> 01:14:31,520
and some gifts for the natives

2142
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:32,800
okay

2143
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:33,760
no

2144
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,560
star trek franchise i could go on and on

2145
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,719
and on any you know

2146
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:44,640
guardians of the galaxy they're nothing

2147
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:46,719
but westerns in which massively

2148
01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:48,640
expensive starships are flying around

2149
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:50,239
shooting at each other and blowing them

2150
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:51,360
each other up which of course is

2151
01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:52,800
ridiculous but the point is is that

2152
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:54,080
that's what they are

2153
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:55,280
of course we're going to put nuclear

2154
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:57,520
weapons on our starships just in case we

2155
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:59,440
run into trouble

2156
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:01,600
and so what does that mean it means that

2157
01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:02,960
and again interstellar drive doesn't

2158
01:15:05,830 --> 01:15:04,640
mean you're confined to two or three

2159
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:05,840
light years you might be able to go out

2160
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:07,199
hundreds of light years who the hell

2161
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:09,679
knows and so that means that any any

2162
01:15:14,149 --> 01:15:12,400
civilization that reaches where we are

2163
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:14,159
and where we are as nuclear weapons of

2164
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:16,159
extraordinary power and we're closing in

2165
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:19,199
on star drive is a threat to everybody

2166
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:21,040
within a reasonable distance of that

2167
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:22,480
planet

2168
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:25,440
period they could show up at any time

2169
01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:28,239
and they've got nuclear weapons and so

2170
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:29,600
you know

2171
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:31,920
maybe you care maybe you don't care but

2172
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:34,000
just put yourselves in in in uh let's

2173
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:36,159
switch places

2174
01:15:40,229 --> 01:15:38,640
what what if what if we knew

2175
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:40,239
what if we had a starship we went to the

2176
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:41,679
centauri system and we discovered a

2177
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:43,679
planet like ours had used nuclear

2178
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:45,360
weapons it was on the verge of making

2179
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:46,480
starships

2180
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:47,840
meaning that soon they would be able to

2181
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:49,280
put those weapons on their starships and

2182
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:51,360
head on out to see what they could see

2183
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:52,640
do you think we just head on back to

2184
01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:55,520
earth and go okay look we need to hide

2185
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:57,040
right how can we hide the planet they

2186
01:16:00,390 --> 01:15:58,560
can't find us

2187
01:16:01,430 --> 01:16:00,400
right we need to hope they don't find us

2188
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:01,440
you really think that's what we're going

2189
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:02,400
to do

2190
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:04,960
no we're going to have to deal with it

2191
01:16:08,709 --> 01:16:06,560
absolutely

2192
01:16:10,709 --> 01:16:08,719
and that's exactly what they're doing

2193
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:10,719
and so okay

2194
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:12,480
what's the deal

2195
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:13,760
all right okay

2196
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:15,440
open contact i believe this is the

2197
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:17,120
discussion the one that matters anything

2198
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:19,440
else will be trivial initially

2199
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:25,750
if you want to

2200
01:16:31,590 --> 01:16:30,080
interstellar as we are you must get rid

2201
01:16:33,990 --> 01:16:31,600
of all of your nukes

2202
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:34,000
period it can't be any news okay not

2203
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:35,360
even a couple

2204
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:36,400
right

2205
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:38,159
okay

2206
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:41,520
if you don't get rid of your nukes fine

2207
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:43,760
well we have a certain respect for

2208
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:46,000
autonomy but you get don't get to leave

2209
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:47,280
the solar system

2210
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:48,800
right in other words if you build a

2211
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:50,480
starship it'll never leave the ground

2212
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:52,400
you know we'll make sure that okay so

2213
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:53,440
you can build them and we'll blow them

2214
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:54,320
up and you can build them we'll blow

2215
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:55,360
them up whatever and if they actually

2216
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:56,880
get outside we'll hit them before they

2217
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:58,320
leave the solar system but it ain't

2218
01:17:02,790 --> 01:17:00,480
gonna happen okay so just accept that

2219
01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:02,800
okay if you don't care about exploring

2220
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:04,480
space fine you gotta have to worry about

2221
01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:07,360
have all the goddamn nukes you want

2222
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:09,040
but two

2223
01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:13,510
there's a lot of us out here

2224
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:14,800
just from the evidence that you've

2225
01:17:18,550 --> 01:17:16,320
compiled you know there's multiple

2226
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:18,560
species working together they turn up

2227
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:20,800
together sometimes right

2228
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:22,159
i mean it's possible that all the very

2229
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:23,440
species that have turned up in the

2230
01:17:26,790 --> 01:17:25,199
literature or in the reports all come

2231
01:17:28,709 --> 01:17:26,800
from the same planet there's nothing

2232
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:28,719
that really stops that

2233
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:31,280
but logically no they come they have

2234
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:32,640
there's different planets if there's one

2235
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:33,679
more out there there's hundreds

2236
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:35,920
thousands hundreds of so they're working

2237
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:38,719
together to engage our planet call it an

2238
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:39,840
alliance

2239
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:40,640
right

2240
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:42,320
well we might be able to be part of that

2241
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:43,679
alliance we might be able to be part of

2242
01:17:47,189 --> 01:17:44,960
not their alliance some alliance in

2243
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,199
other words we could we could get out

2244
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:49,280
into space and deal with them more

2245
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:50,400
importantly

2246
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:52,159
uh we do have

2247
01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:54,000
technology that could assist you in some

2248
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:55,600
of your dilemmas and problems that you

2249
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:58,080
have you have many problems all right we

2250
01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:00,000
know that been there done that it's okay

2251
01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:02,320
we got a few yeah we can help you out

2252
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:03,280
okay

2253
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:06,640
uh this is this is totally reasonable

2254
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:08,560
countries do this all the time

2255
01:18:12,070 --> 01:18:10,239
there are there are countries that have

2256
01:18:13,270 --> 01:18:12,080
helped other countries who simply did

2257
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:13,280
not have the means to deal with the

2258
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:14,880
problems they had by providing them

2259
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:17,120
resources technology whatever

2260
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:19,120
and there's also we invade them and blow

2261
01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:20,400
them up the point is we do this all the

2262
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:22,960
time this is a very logical and expected

2263
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:25,600
thing however the messages

2264
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:27,360
we're not going to do that if you keep

2265
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:29,920
the nukes okay we're not going to help

2266
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:31,600
out somebody that's been on committing

2267
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:33,520
suicide screw you

2268
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:36,080
and so the message is if you want to

2269
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:38,800
engage with us and and possibly benefit

2270
01:18:42,070 --> 01:18:40,400
from things we can do for you you get

2271
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:42,080
rid of the nukes if you want to leave

2272
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:44,000
the solar system you get rid of the

2273
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:45,120
noops

2274
01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:47,920
this is a coming-of-age event of

2275
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:50,400
extraordinary significance which out of

2276
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:54,000
the unbelievably good luck

2277
01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:54,960
you

2278
01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:56,080
and i

2279
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:58,880
are going to be living to see

2280
01:19:01,990 --> 01:18:59,760
all right

2281
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:02,000
think about it well let's hope it's it's

2282
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:04,560
love right right it's not it's it's is

2283
01:19:08,310 --> 01:19:06,000
are the odds the same as winning that

2284
01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:08,320
powerball i bought two tickets 300

2285
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:10,640
million to one some guy one person won

2286
01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:12,320
this thing out of illinois i think the

2287
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:15,040
payout after tax was 463 million it'll

2288
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:16,800
probably ruin his life the point is is

2289
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:17,679
that

2290
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:20,480
we're going to likely live to see this

2291
01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:22,960
and again it's not about oh we're going

2292
01:19:28,149 --> 01:19:25,520
to live to get to see a t eat a really

2293
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:28,159
tea on tv

2294
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:29,520
you know after you've seen one you've

2295
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:30,800
seen them all

2296
01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:33,040
we're going to live to see

2297
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:35,600
the moment in which

2298
01:19:41,030 --> 01:19:38,159
a million multi-million billion-year-old

2299
01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:41,040
life planet has reached high technology

2300
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:44,080
and is finally engaged by other

2301
01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:46,159
planets with advanced technology further

2302
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:47,360
than theirs

2303
01:19:51,189 --> 01:19:49,679
in order for them to then how would you

2304
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:51,199
say come of age

2305
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:53,040
in order to be also interstellar

2306
01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:55,760
themselves and engage them up until then

2307
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:58,159
it wasn't happening now i say up until

2308
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:02,870
i think we know enough about history

2309
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:04,640
ancient history now

2310
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:07,120
to know that

2311
01:20:11,350 --> 01:20:09,679
the et's have been around there

2312
01:20:13,189 --> 01:20:11,360
they just didn't arrive in 47 they've

2313
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:13,199
been around a long time

2314
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:15,520
we have been known to one species or

2315
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:16,560
another

2316
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:17,600
for

2317
01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:19,520
thousands if not hundreds of thousands

2318
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:21,600
of years though two hundred thousand

2319
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:22,800
years ago we weren't particularly

2320
01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:24,239
interesting you know it was like you

2321
01:20:28,229 --> 01:20:26,159
know a bunch of people in caves what are

2322
01:20:30,149 --> 01:20:28,239
you gonna do come down i mean i love the

2323
01:20:31,750 --> 01:20:30,159
scene the opening scene in 2001 with the

2324
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:31,760
monolith and the apes that i get it was

2325
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:33,600
very cool loved every second of it one

2326
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:35,040
of the greatest movies of all time but

2327
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:36,719
let's face it yeah

2328
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:38,239
you can put a monolith down that might

2329
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:39,840
affect their behavior but hanging out

2330
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:41,520
with them probably is not going to be a

2331
01:20:47,430 --> 01:20:43,760
particularly you know uh

2332
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:47,440
engaging event but now we are fully

2333
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:50,480
global high-tech space-faring still even

2334
01:20:54,629 --> 01:20:51,840
big we're not that we're not the we're

2335
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:54,639
not the monkeys at the beginning of 2001

2336
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:56,880
space odyssey that's why the timing is

2337
01:21:01,430 --> 01:20:59,760
what it is that's just our good fortune

2338
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:01,440
we're also like different

2339
01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:03,920
technologically you know from than even

2340
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:07,199
the 1990s you know now every kid yeah

2341
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:09,440
every kid has a cell phone if the aerial

2342
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:11,199
school phenomenon was to happen again

2343
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:13,360
you'd have 60 different

2344
01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:16,320
camera yeah videos of of the occurrence

2345
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:17,120
so

2346
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:20,480
hidden for too long because eventually

2347
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:21,840
somebody's going to capture something

2348
01:21:24,629 --> 01:21:23,040
that

2349
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:24,639
they're going to have to answer to right

2350
01:21:29,910 --> 01:21:26,480
by the way it's worth noting that as the

2351
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:29,920
number of cameras uh in the world in

2352
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:31,679
that in the hands of people

2353
01:21:36,149 --> 01:21:33,840
exponentially increased to the hundreds

2354
01:21:37,910 --> 01:21:36,159
of millions and now billions

2355
01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:37,920
aerial school events don't seem to be

2356
01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:39,679
happening anymore do they

2357
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:42,080
you don't have anything like that right

2358
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:42,960
because

2359
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:44,000
it would be

2360
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:46,159
a little too much okay

2361
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:47,040
uh

2362
01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:48,960
again pointing to the fact that there is

2363
01:21:54,830 --> 01:21:51,440
a very thought through agenda here

2364
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:54,840
complex agenda it is not trivial it is

2365
01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:57,040
profound we just haven't seen the

2366
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:58,080
ultimate

2367
01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:00,480
or at least the the first major

2368
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:03,280
uh resolution of this agenda but i think

2369
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:04,480
it's coming

2370
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:06,560
uh i think the only thing that stands

2371
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:08,800
now between us and that open contact

2372
01:22:13,270 --> 01:22:10,880
that i'm talking about

2373
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:13,280
is disclosure and the only thing right

2374
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:15,840
now standing between us and disclosure

2375
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:17,120
is how soon they can get the

2376
01:22:22,629 --> 01:22:19,040
congressional hearings underway on the

2377
01:22:24,229 --> 01:22:22,639
hill and get 10 20 30 40 pick a number

2378
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:24,239
there's this they'll be coming out of

2379
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:25,360
the woodwork but they all have to be

2380
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:27,040
vetted but the point is that there's

2381
01:22:30,149 --> 01:22:28,880
dozens several dozen right now that

2382
01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:30,159
could go up in the hill and testify

2383
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:31,760
under oath to stuff that would blow your

2384
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:34,080
mind right so as soon as those

2385
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:35,920
testimonies begin

2386
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:37,120
with hundreds of millions of people

2387
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:38,480
around the world watching them rather

2388
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:39,600
intently

2389
01:22:43,350 --> 01:22:41,280
it's pretty much the ball game and then

2390
01:22:44,470 --> 01:22:43,360
it's a question of a head of state to

2391
01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:44,480
simply

2392
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:46,719
do the obvious and confirm so some

2393
01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:49,679
hearings disclosure two years open

2394
01:22:54,390 --> 01:22:51,040
contact

2395
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:54,400
if

2396
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:56,320
we go along with what i believe will be

2397
01:23:00,629 --> 01:22:58,719
their request

2398
01:23:01,669 --> 01:23:00,639
which is get rid of the nukes you people

2399
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:01,679
come on

2400
01:23:05,910 --> 01:23:03,840
you're embarrassing yourselves

2401
01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:05,920
you're a joke in this part of the galaxy

2402
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:06,880
i'm sorry

2403
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:09,520
get rid of the nuke get rid of the nukes

2404
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:11,280
suddenly some technologies start

2405
01:23:15,270 --> 01:23:13,600
becoming available to us that can deal

2406
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:15,280
with the the problems that are keeping

2407
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:17,520
us up all night yeah you know there's a

2408
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:19,120
there's a there's a massive drought

2409
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:20,400
coming

2410
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:24,719
central america it's it's way along the

2411
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:26,639
ways here it's in other parts of the

2412
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:29,920
world you have no idea how unpleasant

2413
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:31,760
humans can be

2414
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:33,600
when they start dying until they start

2415
01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:36,080
dying of thirst okay it's worse than

2416
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:38,560
dying of hunger all right

2417
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:40,800
right you got food so you got some

2418
01:23:45,189 --> 01:23:42,400
energy but you're gonna die because you

2419
01:23:47,910 --> 01:23:45,199
have no water you get really upset and

2420
01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:47,920
unruly all right you want to see chaos

2421
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:50,320
you want to see disruption

2422
01:23:54,790 --> 01:23:52,239
create a situation where the amount of

2423
01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:54,800
water needed to maintain eight billion

2424
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:57,120
people becomes twenty percent of what we

2425
01:24:00,629 --> 01:23:59,760
have now that's coming massive fires is

2426
01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:00,639
coming

2427
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:02,960
global sea

2428
01:24:06,790 --> 01:24:05,520
rise is coming diseases are starting to

2429
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:06,800
spread they're emerging out of the

2430
01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:08,159
tundra some of which we've probably

2431
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:09,679
never seen they're going to turn up

2432
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:11,840
we've got pandemics that are challenging

2433
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:13,920
the entire system we've got economic

2434
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:17,199
problems uh and let's see and i'm

2435
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:20,000
leaving some out um

2436
01:24:24,149 --> 01:24:22,080
and of course massive overpopulation oh

2437
01:24:26,709 --> 01:24:24,159
food crises those are coming

2438
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:26,719
chaos right cats dogs living together

2439
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:27,600
all right

2440
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:29,040
all of that is coming

2441
01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:30,560
and and

2442
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:33,280
if you really listen carefully

2443
01:24:37,189 --> 01:24:35,440
even to the optimist

2444
01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:37,199
nobody has the slightest idea how to

2445
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:39,920
stop this right they got a few ideas

2446
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:41,440
they turn up and they try to be positive

2447
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:42,719
but when you when you look at the

2448
01:24:46,229 --> 01:24:44,639
problems and you look at

2449
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:46,239
the solutions

2450
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:48,239
and you're going it's not going to work

2451
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:49,760
right it's like look

2452
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:52,560
if we could put solar panels over just

2453
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:54,880
five percent of the sahara desert we'd

2454
01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:56,480
have all the energy we needed oh there

2455
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:58,800
you go let's start putting those solar

2456
01:25:02,870 --> 01:25:00,719
panels down there if we could get

2457
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:02,880
another 100 million windmills out there

2458
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:05,360
in the north sea and on and on and on if

2459
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:07,120
we could clean up the garbage patch

2460
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:07,840
right

2461
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:12,000
if we could get rid of the nuclear

2462
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:13,840
weapons

2463
01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:14,880
no

2464
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:17,840
we haven't really solved anything

2465
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:20,400
we we are showing concern we're showing

2466
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:21,760
some passion

2467
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:22,800
uh

2468
01:25:28,149 --> 01:25:26,719
mass shootings in the united states

2469
01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:28,159
we've already thrown our bands on i

2470
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:29,840
can't stop that right and that's that's

2471
01:25:32,709 --> 01:25:31,679
gonna have lots of those that's just the

2472
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:32,719
way it is

2473
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:34,320
so

2474
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:37,120
we have reached a point and this is why

2475
01:25:41,189 --> 01:25:40,080
health is declining addictions are on on

2476
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:41,199
the rise

2477
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:44,400
giving up

2478
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:46,960
it's because the simple truth is

2479
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:48,480
whether you sense it intellectually or

2480
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:50,400
whether you just grok it

2481
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:53,040
from common sense

2482
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:55,040
is that we are faced with massive

2483
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:56,960
problems that we cannot solve

2484
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:59,360
that are going to make us miserable

2485
01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:00,960
it's going to shorten life it's going to

2486
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:03,360
cause a lot of chaos and it's going to

2487
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:05,760
make it harder to have hopes and dreams

2488
01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:07,600
i had this dream that my kid would one

2489
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:09,360
day be the nobel prize you'll be lucky

2490
01:26:13,990 --> 01:26:11,920
if your kid makes it the 12th

2491
01:26:15,189 --> 01:26:14,000
okay so people lose their hope they lose

2492
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:15,199
their dreams

2493
01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:17,679
they start living on the street in tents

2494
01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:19,280
they start roaming around american

2495
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:20,320
cities

2496
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:22,560
you know trailed by two three

2497
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:26,480
you know grocery carts full of stuff

2498
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:28,560
and people are going hey i'm an optimist

2499
01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:29,840
and it's all gonna work out it's all

2500
01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:31,920
gonna happen no it's not

2501
01:26:36,229 --> 01:26:32,719
so

2502
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:36,239
downer here man i mean you know you're

2503
01:26:39,910 --> 01:26:37,679
bumming me out

2504
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:39,920
so you know yeah and i like that right

2505
01:26:45,030 --> 01:26:42,960
when you shut up go away leave me alone

2506
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:45,040
here's why i'm not gonna leave you alone

2507
01:26:51,189 --> 01:26:47,280
because in fact yeah we are at these

2508
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:51,199
crisis points we have overpopulated uh

2509
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:52,960
plundered the seas

2510
01:26:56,070 --> 01:26:54,480
done all the things that we shouldn't

2511
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:56,080
have done that are not in our

2512
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:57,280
self-interest

2513
01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:58,400
not the lethals which have spent

2514
01:27:01,669 --> 01:26:59,840
trillions of dollars on nuclear weapons

2515
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:01,679
we could have spent on food

2516
01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:03,840
or building water purification plants or

2517
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:05,280
whatever the hell no no we just built a

2518
01:27:08,229 --> 01:27:06,800
lot of nuclear weapons right yeah

2519
01:27:09,350 --> 01:27:08,239
absolutely

2520
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:09,360
uh

2521
01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:10,960
the reason i'm saying these things is

2522
01:27:15,350 --> 01:27:13,360
that in fact there is an answer because

2523
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:15,360
we are not the only people paying

2524
01:27:19,110 --> 01:27:17,120
attention yeah

2525
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:19,120
non-human extraterrestrials have been

2526
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:21,280
paying attention that's the slogan of

2527
01:27:26,629 --> 01:27:23,840
this podcast is are you paying attention

2528
01:27:28,629 --> 01:27:26,639
right yeah and we know a decent amount

2529
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:28,639
about what they have done and some of

2530
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:30,639
their things and and they've actually

2531
01:27:35,030 --> 01:27:33,280
said things to they've given messages to

2532
01:27:37,430 --> 01:27:35,040
contact these and so forth i mean we're

2533
01:27:39,669 --> 01:27:37,440
not totally in the dark here yeah and i

2534
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:39,679
believe that that

2535
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:41,760
our salvation and i hate to use that

2536
01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:42,800
term

2537
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:44,960
but our way forward

2538
01:27:48,629 --> 01:27:47,360
with a viable planet that doesn't live

2539
01:27:51,189 --> 01:27:48,639
under

2540
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:51,199
the risk of immediate annihilation

2541
01:27:55,990 --> 01:27:53,199
is to simply allow this process to

2542
01:27:58,070 --> 01:27:56,000
unfold as it's wanting to do

2543
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:58,080
end the truth embargo

2544
01:28:03,270 --> 01:28:01,280
get formal acknowledgement

2545
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:03,280
learn about ets

2546
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:05,040
get as much information out as possible

2547
01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:07,120
so that people can learn and understand

2548
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:09,280
and try to become comfortable with

2549
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:11,760
a pretty big deal and then see what the

2550
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:14,560
et's next move is

2551
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:16,960
that's our way out of this all right

2552
01:28:20,709 --> 01:28:18,800
and if anybody's got another way out

2553
01:28:23,189 --> 01:28:20,719
better way hey i'm willing to listen to

2554
01:28:24,550 --> 01:28:23,199
them but i i'm i'm i you know the

2555
01:28:27,030 --> 01:28:24,560
futurists are out there i read their

2556
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:27,040
stuff i read all this stuff and they're

2557
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:28,480
i don't blame them they're they're

2558
01:28:33,189 --> 01:28:31,120
trying to be positive right look uh you

2559
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:33,199
know this is what's coming but if we i

2560
01:28:39,430 --> 01:28:36,719
remember one one lecture ted lecture

2561
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:39,440
i was a indian scientist

2562
01:28:44,070 --> 01:28:42,800
very sharp right very good and he was a

2563
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:44,080
i guess you could play a population

2564
01:28:46,709 --> 01:28:45,280
scientist i think it was a phrase for

2565
01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:46,719
that i mean he is but he's a population

2566
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:48,560
scientist and he gives this this

2567
01:28:52,870 --> 01:28:50,639
15-minute ted lecture

2568
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:52,880
where he makes the case

2569
01:28:54,830 --> 01:28:53,760
that

2570
01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:54,840
we shouldn't worry about the

2571
01:28:58,390 --> 01:28:57,520
overpopulation thing

2572
01:29:00,310 --> 01:28:58,400
why

2573
01:29:02,709 --> 01:29:00,320
and he goes through all this you know

2574
01:29:05,189 --> 01:29:02,719
explanations about why

2575
01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:05,199
the global population is going to level

2576
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:07,840
off at 9 billion as opposed to going on

2577
01:29:11,110 --> 01:29:10,000
to 12 15 billion and so forth right

2578
01:29:13,430 --> 01:29:11,120
which are pretty decent

2579
01:29:16,390 --> 01:29:13,440
after that right and he's you know he's

2580
01:29:18,149 --> 01:29:16,400
talking about procreation and stuff

2581
01:29:19,350 --> 01:29:18,159
and the effects of you know advancing

2582
01:29:21,430 --> 01:29:19,360
tech and all this stuff and he puts

2583
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:21,440
together and he comes up with nine nine

2584
01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:22,800
billion

2585
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:27,990
i would say i saw this about seven years

2586
01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:30,960
ago seven eight years ago

2587
01:29:34,550 --> 01:29:32,800
we're about to hit eight billion

2588
01:29:35,750 --> 01:29:34,560
in a month or two

2589
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:35,760
okay

2590
01:29:39,430 --> 01:29:37,520
it's been up about a billion since i

2591
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:39,440
think i saw that lecture

2592
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:41,040
he wants us to believe that there's only

2593
01:29:46,470 --> 01:29:43,120
one more bill and levels off which by

2594
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:46,480
the way if we had disclosure

2595
01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:47,920
some of the things that could come out

2596
01:29:51,669 --> 01:29:50,239
of that and open contact with et's could

2597
01:29:54,070 --> 01:29:51,679
in fact result in leveling the

2598
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:54,080
population and what do i mean by that

2599
01:29:57,669 --> 01:29:55,600
i mean that

2600
01:29:59,110 --> 01:29:57,679
the ultimate answer to population

2601
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:59,120
control

2602
01:30:03,030 --> 01:30:00,719
is not

2603
01:30:05,110 --> 01:30:03,040
a one-child policy

2604
01:30:09,030 --> 01:30:05,120
which technically could work but it's

2605
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:09,040
it's it's got serious problems okay

2606
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:10,480
the ultimate

2607
01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:13,520
solution to population

2608
01:30:18,070 --> 01:30:16,000
without infringing on

2609
01:30:19,350 --> 01:30:18,080
hugely infringing on people's rights

2610
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:19,360
is really

2611
01:30:27,510 --> 01:30:22,080
really good birth control

2612
01:30:30,149 --> 01:30:27,520
uh what we have now is not that good

2613
01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:30,159
okay i'm sorry it's pretty friggin crude

2614
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:31,600
okay

2615
01:30:34,790 --> 01:30:33,600
you know you you buy a box of rubbers

2616
01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:34,800
right and and then you'll read an

2617
01:30:39,189 --> 01:30:36,960
article well you know they're 98

2618
01:30:42,550 --> 01:30:39,199
effective they say that it feels like

2619
01:30:43,990 --> 01:30:42,560
nothing they're liars 98 effective it's

2620
01:30:45,830 --> 01:30:44,000
you know if you've got a one in 50

2621
01:30:47,910 --> 01:30:45,840
chance and you're gonna have to support

2622
01:30:49,750 --> 01:30:47,920
a kid the rest of your life yeah i don't

2623
01:30:51,350 --> 01:30:49,760
think so but no no really good

2624
01:30:53,110 --> 01:30:51,360
technology that that

2625
01:30:55,030 --> 01:30:53,120
do they eat you think the et's have that

2626
01:30:57,270 --> 01:30:55,040
oh god yes

2627
01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:57,280
hell of course they do and so that may

2628
01:31:00,390 --> 01:30:58,800
be one of the things they may say look

2629
01:31:01,590 --> 01:31:00,400
we have the kind of tech that gives you

2630
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:01,600
you know safe

2631
01:31:05,189 --> 01:31:03,360
secure

2632
01:31:07,030 --> 01:31:05,199
you know user choice

2633
01:31:09,110 --> 01:31:07,040
advanced technology so that you can you

2634
01:31:10,950 --> 01:31:09,120
can simply avoid having

2635
01:31:15,590 --> 01:31:10,960
children right if you do not want to or

2636
01:31:16,550 --> 01:31:15,600
limit the family uh and and so forth uh

2637
01:31:19,350 --> 01:31:16,560
wow

2638
01:31:22,149 --> 01:31:19,360
that's a game changer which means that

2639
01:31:23,669 --> 01:31:22,159
we say we do level off at nine billion

2640
01:31:26,229 --> 01:31:23,679
but then we have other tech that's

2641
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:26,239
building up our resources new advanced

2642
01:31:29,990 --> 01:31:28,080
energy systems cheaper energy and the

2643
01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:30,000
next thing you know you've got more

2644
01:31:34,629 --> 01:31:32,239
water more energy more resources but for

2645
01:31:36,390 --> 01:31:34,639
the same amount of people and i'm bill

2646
01:31:37,590 --> 01:31:36,400
and so that means the quality of life of

2647
01:31:39,510 --> 01:31:37,600
the nine build just get her better

2648
01:31:41,430 --> 01:31:39,520
better and better and better and if the

2649
01:31:43,750 --> 01:31:41,440
technology does allow to even reduce the

2650
01:31:45,750 --> 01:31:43,760
population there's no sin there

2651
01:31:47,430 --> 01:31:45,760
again if it's a choice of the human race

2652
01:31:49,750 --> 01:31:47,440
and it's not based upon

2653
01:31:51,189 --> 01:31:49,760
men's sperm drying up so you can't even

2654
01:31:53,510 --> 01:31:51,199
have a kid right which is kind of what's

2655
01:31:55,350 --> 01:31:53,520
happening now which is kind of not cool

2656
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:55,360
but just really great technology live

2657
01:31:58,629 --> 01:31:57,199
your life and whatever you know have all

2658
01:31:59,830 --> 01:31:58,639
the sex you want but you're not going to

2659
01:32:00,790 --> 01:31:59,840
have you're not going to have unwanted

2660
01:32:02,790 --> 01:32:00,800
children

2661
01:32:04,470 --> 01:32:02,800
maybe the population starts coming down

2662
01:32:05,350 --> 01:32:04,480
and now you've got the population by the

2663
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:05,360
way

2664
01:32:08,950 --> 01:32:07,199
six billion people on the planet it's a

2665
01:32:11,350 --> 01:32:08,960
good it's a large number of people it's

2666
01:32:13,110 --> 01:32:11,360
just about um we'll be fine okay yeah

2667
01:32:15,270 --> 01:32:13,120
we're not losing anything because of

2668
01:32:16,709 --> 01:32:15,280
that see so as now the resources are

2669
01:32:19,590 --> 01:32:16,719
going up through new technology

2670
01:32:21,030 --> 01:32:19,600
developments possibly et facilitated and

2671
01:32:24,790 --> 01:32:21,040
the population is coming down the

2672
01:32:26,870 --> 01:32:24,800
quality of life is now really taking off

2673
01:32:28,629 --> 01:32:26,880
what i'm describing here gentlemen is

2674
01:32:31,990 --> 01:32:28,639
not some grotesque science fiction

2675
01:32:34,229 --> 01:32:32,000
fantasy it is a logical obvious outcome

2676
01:32:36,709 --> 01:32:34,239
of what we're seeing unfold

2677
01:32:38,950 --> 01:32:36,719
now there may be a an aspect of this

2678
01:32:40,550 --> 01:32:38,960
that's this off it could be the et's

2679
01:32:41,990 --> 01:32:40,560
just want to disclose

2680
01:32:43,430 --> 01:32:42,000
and once we've confirmed they're here

2681
01:32:45,110 --> 01:32:43,440
they come down and say okay look here's

2682
01:32:47,189 --> 01:32:45,120
the let's get rid of the nukes and we'll

2683
01:32:48,790 --> 01:32:47,199
leave you alone okay

2684
01:32:50,790 --> 01:32:48,800
uh we're not gonna give you any tech we

2685
01:32:52,870 --> 01:32:50,800
don't wanna we want you to do it on your

2686
01:32:54,870 --> 01:32:52,880
own right but you know

2687
01:32:56,310 --> 01:32:54,880
you'll be more proud of it if you do it

2688
01:32:57,990 --> 01:32:56,320
on your own might take you hundreds of

2689
01:32:59,990 --> 01:32:58,000
more years no big deal

2690
01:33:01,910 --> 01:33:00,000
okay maybe they'll do that maybe they

2691
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:01,920
won't i'm just giving you what is the

2692
01:33:06,950 --> 01:33:05,040
logical scenario assuming that their

2693
01:33:08,870 --> 01:33:06,960
reasoning process

2694
01:33:09,590 --> 01:33:08,880
is roughly

2695
01:33:12,310 --> 01:33:09,600
uh

2696
01:33:15,189 --> 01:33:12,320
corresponds to what we're seeing their

2697
01:33:16,950 --> 01:33:15,199
activity now okay what we do know about

2698
01:33:18,470 --> 01:33:16,960
them does it correspond to that and by

2699
01:33:20,470 --> 01:33:18,480
and large what i'm saying does

2700
01:33:22,390 --> 01:33:20,480
correspond to that all right but

2701
01:33:25,189 --> 01:33:22,400
anything could change at any time

2702
01:33:27,189 --> 01:33:25,199
who knows but again

2703
01:33:29,590 --> 01:33:27,199
you can't not deal with this and not try

2704
01:33:31,030 --> 01:33:29,600
to project out outcomes

2705
01:33:33,430 --> 01:33:31,040
and the outcomes i'm projecting are

2706
01:33:35,510 --> 01:33:33,440
pretty profound and significant

2707
01:33:36,470 --> 01:33:35,520
and given all that we're going through

2708
01:33:39,110 --> 01:33:36,480
right now

2709
01:33:41,189 --> 01:33:39,120
the idea of being able to reasonably

2710
01:33:43,030 --> 01:33:41,199
project an extraordinary outcome for the

2711
01:33:43,990 --> 01:33:43,040
human race in a relatively short amount

2712
01:33:45,830 --> 01:33:44,000
of time

2713
01:33:47,590 --> 01:33:45,840
i don't think that's a bad thing i i

2714
01:33:50,390 --> 01:33:47,600
think anybody that wants to sign on to

2715
01:33:51,590 --> 01:33:50,400
that is probably helping themselves out

2716
01:33:53,030 --> 01:33:51,600
in other words i'm not trying to build a

2717
01:33:54,550 --> 01:33:53,040
cult here i'm simply saying that

2718
01:33:55,669 --> 01:33:54,560
understanding what i'm saying might just

2719
01:33:57,510 --> 01:33:55,679
give you a reason to get up in the

2720
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:57,520
morning and not you know think what the

2721
01:34:04,870 --> 01:33:59,120
hell is the point

2722
01:34:06,149 --> 01:34:04,880
want a great future for my three little

2723
01:34:07,669 --> 01:34:06,159
girls one of them's going to become

2724
01:34:10,149 --> 01:34:07,679
president evan's going to be a nuclear

2725
01:34:12,790 --> 01:34:10,159
scientist and then i turn on the news

2726
01:34:14,629 --> 01:34:12,800
and lavrov right the foreign policy guy

2727
01:34:15,669 --> 01:34:14,639
from russia is talking about the fact

2728
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:15,679
that their

2729
01:34:21,270 --> 01:34:20,159
their now extent hypersonic missiles are

2730
01:34:22,550 --> 01:34:21,280
merved

2731
01:34:24,550 --> 01:34:22,560
all right

2732
01:34:26,790 --> 01:34:24,560
they move so fast and maneuver there's

2733
01:34:29,110 --> 01:34:26,800
no way in hell you can stop them

2734
01:34:32,709 --> 01:34:29,120
each one of the 12 missiles in that mirv

2735
01:34:34,870 --> 01:34:32,719
is at 1.2 kilo kilogram tons of megatons

2736
01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:34,880
rather and so consequently we launch one

2737
01:34:39,110 --> 01:34:36,880
of those we can destroy most of europe

2738
01:34:41,590 --> 01:34:39,120
with a single hypersonic missile i'm not

2739
01:34:43,990 --> 01:34:41,600
making this up all right and so now

2740
01:34:45,669 --> 01:34:44,000
you're thinking yeah gee maybe my

2741
01:34:46,950 --> 01:34:45,679
daughters don't have much of the future

2742
01:34:49,030 --> 01:34:46,960
here

2743
01:34:51,830 --> 01:34:49,040
can you imagine we live in that kind of

2744
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:51,840
cognizant dissonance every damn day all

2745
01:34:55,750 --> 01:34:54,000
right we we think about the future for

2746
01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:55,760
ourselves and our kids and in the human

2747
01:34:58,149 --> 01:34:56,880
race and the next thing you know we're

2748
01:35:00,550 --> 01:34:58,159
watching the news and basically we're

2749
01:35:02,149 --> 01:35:00,560
talking it's your [\h__\h] dude yeah right

2750
01:35:04,310 --> 01:35:02,159
it's over it's done

2751
01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:04,320
right you're thinking you know wow man i

2752
01:35:08,950 --> 01:35:06,400
just love being out here in california

2753
01:35:10,790 --> 01:35:08,960
or arizona whatever and and boy i think

2754
01:35:12,390 --> 01:35:10,800
you know i bought a house and i'm gonna

2755
01:35:14,470 --> 01:35:12,400
give it to my kids and then you turn on

2756
01:35:16,629 --> 01:35:14,480
the news and lake mead is down to like

2757
01:35:18,709 --> 01:35:16,639
50 feet or whatever the hell it it's so

2758
01:35:20,390 --> 01:35:18,719
low the whole civilizations are emerging

2759
01:35:21,910 --> 01:35:20,400
out of the lake that and there's

2760
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:21,920
actually talk about the fact that very

2761
01:35:24,310 --> 01:35:22,960
soon it's going to reach a point where

2762
01:35:25,910 --> 01:35:24,320
it doesn't flow

2763
01:35:28,310 --> 01:35:25,920
it's called it becomes a dead i think

2764
01:35:31,030 --> 01:35:28,320
they call it a dead

2765
01:35:32,870 --> 01:35:31,040
dead lake or dead something meaning that

2766
01:35:35,669 --> 01:35:32,880
it doesn't flow so since it's not

2767
01:35:37,430 --> 01:35:35,679
flowing there's no hydro power so not

2768
01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:37,440
only have we just run out of water we

2769
01:35:41,109 --> 01:35:39,760
just lost all the hydro power from over

2770
01:35:42,790 --> 01:35:41,119
10.

2771
01:35:45,430 --> 01:35:42,800
this this was in the news just about

2772
01:35:47,109 --> 01:35:45,440
three days ago okay and i'm not i'm not

2773
01:35:48,070 --> 01:35:47,119
reading bizarre

2774
01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:48,080
you know

2775
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:49,920
media where they come up with all these

2776
01:35:55,669 --> 01:35:52,800
uh crisis stories just to sell paper i'm

2777
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:55,679
talking about the main stream media all

2778
01:35:58,470 --> 01:35:56,400
right

2779
01:36:01,590 --> 01:35:58,480
quality journalism

2780
01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:01,600
now this is and people wonder why

2781
01:36:05,189 --> 01:36:03,280
everybody's uptight

2782
01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:05,199
they wonder why everybody's on opiates

2783
01:36:09,830 --> 01:36:07,040
how can you not be

2784
01:36:12,149 --> 01:36:09,840
i mean it's just insane the fundamental

2785
01:36:13,750 --> 01:36:12,159
rationales for existence are being

2786
01:36:15,510 --> 01:36:13,760
stripped away from us

2787
01:36:17,189 --> 01:36:15,520
by the realities of what we've created

2788
01:36:19,109 --> 01:36:17,199
and where we are

2789
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:19,119
and that's not good

2790
01:36:23,590 --> 01:36:21,760
uh but as it happens

2791
01:36:26,149 --> 01:36:23,600
this is all taking place at a time when

2792
01:36:29,109 --> 01:36:26,159
the et engagement is accelerating

2793
01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:29,119
and and uh manifesting itself and maybe

2794
01:36:33,270 --> 01:36:31,600
reaching a climax so

2795
01:36:34,390 --> 01:36:33,280
that's that's the world that i live in

2796
01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:34,400
that is

2797
01:36:38,149 --> 01:36:36,639
the the things i think about as i go

2798
01:36:39,990 --> 01:36:38,159
about my business i don't have any kids

2799
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:40,000
so it's not one of those things you know

2800
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:41,280
i'm not trying to build a great world

2801
01:36:44,310 --> 01:36:42,560
for my kids

2802
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:44,320
i'm trying to build a big role for some

2803
01:36:48,070 --> 01:36:45,360
other kids

2804
01:36:50,629 --> 01:36:48,080
uh other people's kids but uh

2805
01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:50,639
this this is the way i deal with this

2806
01:36:55,189 --> 01:36:52,960
and even even that

2807
01:36:57,030 --> 01:36:55,199
even though i have this understanding

2808
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:57,040
and i have this strong feeling of these

2809
01:37:01,430 --> 01:36:59,440
possibilities

2810
01:37:02,950 --> 01:37:01,440
when putin invaded

2811
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:02,960
well of course the troops were building

2812
01:37:07,750 --> 01:37:04,560
up for weeks but when he finally invaded

2813
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:07,760
the ukraine i was very upset i got very

2814
01:37:10,790 --> 01:37:08,719
upset

2815
01:37:12,870 --> 01:37:10,800
uh i sort of lost it you know i i was

2816
01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:12,880
just you know

2817
01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:14,960
ranting and raving i was ranting to some

2818
01:37:18,470 --> 01:37:17,119
of my friends on the phone and a couple

2819
01:37:19,830 --> 01:37:18,480
of them had heard more than they needed

2820
01:37:22,149 --> 01:37:19,840
to hear and i hadn't heard from them in

2821
01:37:24,470 --> 01:37:22,159
a while i think i just went too far

2822
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:24,480
but it just it was just

2823
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:26,400
i couldn't believe that everything we

2824
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:27,280
know

2825
01:37:30,550 --> 01:37:29,199
and have learned over the last many

2826
01:37:32,470 --> 01:37:30,560
years

2827
01:37:34,709 --> 01:37:32,480
that it was still possible

2828
01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:34,719
for an autocrat

2829
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:36,880
you know reaching old age who probably

2830
01:37:40,870 --> 01:37:38,960
you know his prostate's the size of a

2831
01:37:42,229 --> 01:37:40,880
cantaloupe and he can't have sex anymore

2832
01:37:44,149 --> 01:37:42,239
whatever the hell

2833
01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:44,159
and and he's decided i think i'll just

2834
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:45,440
invade a country because i want to be

2835
01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:46,960
peter the great when i die and i'm

2836
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:49,040
thinking are you kidding me

2837
01:37:51,270 --> 01:37:50,159
you know

2838
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:51,280
really

2839
01:37:54,149 --> 01:37:52,320
i mean you

2840
01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:54,159
you haven't learned anything vlad in all

2841
01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:56,320
these years you haven't studied history

2842
01:37:59,669 --> 01:37:58,320
you don't know anything about where the

2843
01:38:01,189 --> 01:37:59,679
world is now

2844
01:38:04,310 --> 01:38:01,199
that you're going to do something like

2845
01:38:06,149 --> 01:38:04,320
that it seems little school doesn't it

2846
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:06,159
it seems little school like it seems

2847
01:38:09,910 --> 01:38:07,760
like yeah attacking the country it's

2848
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:09,920
just it's posse at this point it's

2849
01:38:15,030 --> 01:38:12,480
medieval yeah right you know i mean if

2850
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:15,040
if if he had his troops down there you

2851
01:38:18,790 --> 01:38:16,480
know throwing

2852
01:38:21,109 --> 01:38:18,800
you know pieces of animals that had the

2853
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:21,119
plague over the you know the walls of

2854
01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:22,880
cities in order to spread the plague in

2855
01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:26,080
order to it would be it would be no less

2856
01:38:30,149 --> 01:38:28,080
yeah it would be just as medieval i mean

2857
01:38:31,669 --> 01:38:30,159
this is this is awful and so it it

2858
01:38:32,550 --> 01:38:31,679
really upset me

2859
01:38:37,189 --> 01:38:32,560
uh

2860
01:38:38,149 --> 01:38:37,199
when will this madness end

2861
01:38:42,950 --> 01:38:38,159
china

2862
01:38:45,830 --> 01:38:42,960
and look how big it is it's bigger the

2863
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:45,840
united states huge country and then next

2864
01:38:52,629 --> 01:38:48,239
to you got this tiny little thing you

2865
01:38:56,550 --> 01:38:55,430
china is is talking about blowing up the

2866
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:56,560
world

2867
01:39:01,189 --> 01:38:59,920
if it can't have that little tiny thing

2868
01:39:02,390 --> 01:39:01,199
because of their

2869
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:02,400
pride

2870
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:04,880
their their self-importance

2871
01:39:10,830 --> 01:39:08,080
right it's a matter of principle okay we

2872
01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:10,840
must have that island all

2873
01:39:14,629 --> 01:39:13,280
right and it's also racist because

2874
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:14,639
unfortunately there is a huge amount of

2875
01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:16,400
racism in china they believe they are

2876
01:39:20,229 --> 01:39:17,679
they are in fact the

2877
01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:20,239
the the uh uh

2878
01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:22,639
the supreme race which is a problem we

2879
01:39:26,629 --> 01:39:23,840
have too

2880
01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:26,639
right but there's more of them and and i

2881
01:39:31,030 --> 01:39:28,719
hope that that can get resolved someday

2882
01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:31,040
yeah but you know in other words one

2883
01:39:34,790 --> 01:39:33,199
reason not to be a supremacist about

2884
01:39:37,830 --> 01:39:34,800
your race is because you're not the only

2885
01:39:41,669 --> 01:39:37,840
race okay uh but in any event

2886
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:41,679
it's it's grotesque it's just grotesque

2887
01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:44,159
we know so much now we know so much of

2888
01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:46,960
history we don't know it's recorded

2889
01:39:50,629 --> 01:39:48,880
and yet you've got these leaders that

2890
01:39:52,629 --> 01:39:50,639
are acting like

2891
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:52,639
they just arrived here yesterday or

2892
01:39:56,310 --> 01:39:54,960
they've been in a coma for the last 60

2893
01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:56,320
years and they just woke up and they're

2894
01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:59,199
going isn't it 1930 or something i mean

2895
01:40:01,830 --> 01:40:00,480
aren't we supposed to be having a war

2896
01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:01,840
here

2897
01:40:06,310 --> 01:40:03,440
it's just

2898
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:06,320
you know i mean i'm an anti-war guy

2899
01:40:11,030 --> 01:40:08,880
but it's not just because you know i

2900
01:40:13,669 --> 01:40:11,040
hate to see people shooting each other

2901
01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:13,679
war is more than just that yeah it's a

2902
01:40:17,590 --> 01:40:15,119
mindset

2903
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:17,600
that lies behind and undermines almost

2904
01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:19,360
everything else of that

2905
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:21,840
well let's hope with the et disclosure

2906
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:24,719
that that mindset changes and that's uh

2907
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:27,280
yeah that's the idea to it uh steve i

2908
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:29,920
appreciate your time um coming on to the

2909
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:31,920
uap studies uh louie do you have any

2910
01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:33,520
final questions for our guest yeah i

2911
01:40:38,070 --> 01:40:35,119
also just want to extend a very warm

2912
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:38,080
thanks i mean your limit is none right

2913
01:40:42,470 --> 01:40:40,239
you are limitly you're actually

2914
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:42,480
limitless in terms of your information

2915
01:40:47,270 --> 01:40:44,560
uh and your willingness to discuss it

2916
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:47,280
and not sugarcoat it and just no

2917
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:49,600
[\h__\h] and we pride ourselves on being

2918
01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:50,560
the same

2919
01:40:53,990 --> 01:40:52,400
and uh you're definitely a perfect fit

2920
01:40:55,830 --> 01:40:54,000
for our show we really enjoyed having

2921
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:55,840
you and uh we'd love to have you again

2922
01:40:59,189 --> 01:40:57,760
sometime and pick up where we left off

2923
01:41:00,870 --> 01:40:59,199
okay two more things one paradigm

2924
01:41:02,390 --> 01:41:00,880
research group.org learn how to spell

2925
01:41:03,669 --> 01:41:02,400
paradigms you want to live in the 26th

2926
01:41:05,510 --> 01:41:03,679
century baby 21st century

2927
01:41:08,229 --> 01:41:05,520
p-a-r-a-d-i-g-n

2928
01:41:10,310 --> 01:41:08,239
check out the print media archive okay

2929
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:10,320
for sure all right

2930
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:12,000
and lastly

2931
01:41:14,310 --> 01:41:13,040
and i know there's some people that are

2932
01:41:15,669 --> 01:41:14,320
not going to like to hear this right

2933
01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:15,679
because you know right now everybody's

2934
01:41:19,030 --> 01:41:17,520
pissing on everybody else right you know

2935
01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:19,040
everybody's got pissing on everybody so

2936
01:41:23,510 --> 01:41:20,239
nobody's

2937
01:41:25,510 --> 01:41:23,520
escaping it but you know i i i i don't

2938
01:41:27,109 --> 01:41:25,520
shy from this

2939
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:27,119
really what it comes down to

2940
01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:29,440
is we need to have disclosure

2941
01:41:35,990 --> 01:41:32,400
and we need to have reform and if we're

2942
01:41:38,870 --> 01:41:36,000
lucky in 10 15 years

2943
01:41:40,870 --> 01:41:38,880
the whole world will be like canada

2944
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:40,880
we're home free let's all absolutely get

2945
01:41:44,629 --> 01:41:43,199
that we take pride in that as well one

2946
01:41:45,830 --> 01:41:44,639
giant candidate i'm not saying we all

2947
01:41:47,910 --> 01:41:45,840
have canadian government i'm just saying

2948
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:47,920
if we all were like canada

2949
01:41:50,790 --> 01:41:49,440
does anybody really think that that's

2950
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:50,800
not going to be a better outcome that's

2951
01:41:55,109 --> 01:41:52,800
not going to be a greater place to live

2952
01:41:58,229 --> 01:41:55,119
right i mean global politeness just

2953
01:42:00,629 --> 01:41:58,239
springing up everywhere right uh

2954
01:42:02,390 --> 01:42:00,639
what would ryan reynolds do

2955
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:02,400
absolutely what would brian do and not

2956
01:42:06,470 --> 01:42:04,239
only that we you know we have you know

2957
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:06,480
even more comics emerging uh

2958
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:08,080
uh because canada for some reason is

2959
01:42:10,870 --> 01:42:09,840
like a comic comedian generator but i'm

2960
01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:10,880
just

2961
01:42:17,030 --> 01:42:15,040
there are examples of very good working

2962
01:42:20,149 --> 01:42:17,040
countries none of which are without

2963
01:42:21,990 --> 01:42:20,159
problems but assuming one is not clouded

2964
01:42:24,149 --> 01:42:22,000
in their biases and just looks

2965
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:24,159
objectively there are examples of

2966
01:42:28,550 --> 01:42:27,119
extremely successful countries out there

2967
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:28,560
uh

2968
01:42:33,270 --> 01:42:31,360
that but for whatever reason

2969
01:42:34,870 --> 01:42:33,280
other countries that need to change will

2970
01:42:36,550 --> 01:42:34,880
refuse to model

2971
01:42:37,270 --> 01:42:36,560
it means you know like

2972
01:42:44,470 --> 01:42:37,280
i

2973
01:42:45,669 --> 01:42:44,480
we're the best

2974
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:45,679
right and we're going to keep doing what

2975
01:42:49,669 --> 01:42:47,040
we're doing because it's what makes us

2976
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:49,679
the best instead of you know

2977
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:50,880
you know we

2978
01:42:54,070 --> 01:42:52,320
we uh

2979
01:42:55,830 --> 01:42:54,080
we might learn from that country that

2980
01:42:57,350 --> 01:42:55,840
there's some good things going on there

2981
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:57,360
uh michael moore made it made a

2982
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:59,040
documentary right i don't know if you

2983
01:43:03,109 --> 01:43:00,400
remember you ever saw it it's called who

2984
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:03,119
do we invade next i recommend it to your

2985
01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:05,360
your listeners it's it's not the title

2986
01:43:08,629 --> 01:43:07,600
is not what you think and i think that's

2987
01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:08,639
one of the problems it's one of the

2988
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:10,000
reasons it didn't do better is because

2989
01:43:13,430 --> 01:43:11,679
it the title is somewhat misleading but

2990
01:43:15,669 --> 01:43:13,440
once you watch it you get it who do we

2991
01:43:17,910 --> 01:43:15,679
invade next whatever anyway guys thanks

2992
01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:17,920
a lot anytime you need me short notice

2993
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:19,600
you get a last minute cancellation wake